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Anubis
10-18-2008, 01:33 AM
Anubis' Trapsin Guide v2
Table of Contents

I- Introduction
II- Changes
III- Frequently Asked Questions
IV- Skills
V- Stats
VI- Gear
VII- Various Strategies
VIII- Conclusion

I- Introduction

This is a guide to help you, the Diablo gamer, make a good, maybe godly, Traps Assassin, commonly known as the trapsin.

II- Changes
I haven’t made very many changes to the build itself, other than gear upgrades. My main changes were idealistic. I’ve been spending a lot of time dueling with this build, and have rebuilt once or twice since this was written. I have dropped the BM ideas about Mind Blast, the way people play their chars these days mb is essential. Also, I have found the significance of FCR. I am still 5% short of the 65% breakpoint, but the FCR is needed for mb lock. When I find my ideal ammy I will be better off.

III-FAQ

What is a Trapsin?
A Trapsin is an assassin trained mostly in the arts of the Traps skill tree.
She sets her traps and lets her merc/master distract/tank the enemies.

How expensive are they?
Honestly the Trapsin is cheaper than most other builds.
Most of her gear is magical and can be bought from Anya in act V.

Is a Trapsin good at PvP and PvM?
Although most people believe Trapsins are cheap duelers, I think
they can be viable duelers. Nothing is better at town gaurding than a
Trapsin. (Of course town guarding is BM and would only be used
against other BMers. Right?) With the right playing style and the
right merc you will be able to solo hell.

Does Faster Cast Rate affect traps?
NO! Increased attack speed affects traps. the game reads them as "minions" not "spells."
Direct quote from Arreat Summit, "Faster Cast Rate- Cast Rate items will reduce the time it takes to cast spells. Cast Rate items stack so the more you put on, the faster you can cast spells. While you may not want to sacrifice to wear an item with Faster Cast Rate, it certainly helps to have it on any items you wear. Faster Cast Rate Items will not improve casting speed of Assassin Traps. Faster Cast Items will not help skills with Casting Delays."
Arreat Summit (http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/classes/casterequipment.shtml)

Do facets or Griff's work with traps?
NO! to go along with the whole minion idea, Direct quote from Arreat summit-"Certain items will allow a player to lower an enemy's resistances and/or heighten elemental damage. These items will not function with most traps as some traps are minions of the character and the damage is not generated directly from the character in question." the "some traps" refers to all traps except Fire Blast and Shock Web.
Arreat Summit (http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/skills/assassin-traps.shtml)

How much IAS do I need to hit the highest breakpoint?
Use this IAS calculator (http://diablo2.ingame.de/tips/calcs/weaponspeed.php?lang=english) to judge how much IAS you will need. The IAS is all dependent on what claws you use. Use this calculator to determine what level BoS to have and/or if you should get IAS jewels.

What breakpoints should I aim for?
This guide is not made for FCR. But should you choose to aim for FCR here is the FCR breakpoints:
Assassin
FCR Frames
0% 16
8% 15
16% 14
27% 13
42% 12
65% 11
102% 10
174% 9
remember: fcr only affects Mindblast and teleport. But, with the right ammy and helm the 65% is easy to get, I am personally 5% short of the bp.

The faster hit recovery (FHR) breakpoints are as follows:
Assassin
FHR Frames
0% 9
7% 8
15% 7
27% 6
48% 5
86% 4
200% 3
86% is usually what people aim for, but 48% is feasable. without trex you wont have any FHR with this build.

IV- Skills-
In order by tree, all skills are based on my level 90 trapsin on U.S. East Non-Ladder (used to be ladder)

Trap Tree
Fire Blast- 1, Prerequisite
Shock Web- 20, Synergy
Charged Bolt Sentry- 20, Synergy
Lightning Sentry- 20, Main Trap- max legit damage available is somewhere near 15k, mine does 12k easily
Death Sentry- 20, Synergy, Mob destroyer
All Others- none

Shadow Discipline Tree
Claw mastery- 1, Prerequisite
Claw Block- 3, I have level 18 with 3 skills points in and I have 56% chance to block physical and elemental attacks, some people think it's a one point wonder, but I like to have a little over 50% chance. You feel free to only put one point here. I have used hero editor to make a sin with 60% claw block, and I think this would work, but I don’t feel like remaking my online sin to test it.
Burst of Speed**- 1, this is a good skill because IAS affects trap casting speed, not FCR, but fade is the main buff of this build.
Fade- 1-10, I have 3 so far and it is level 18 without bo's. It adds 63% all res, 18% physical res, and curse length reduced by 80%. I suggest adding points into either this or Mind Blast when all others are done
Shadow Warrior- 1, prerequisite
Shadow Master- 1, one point wonder, it's practically a second assassin
Psychic Hammer- 1, prerequisite
Cloak of Shadows- 1 prerequisite
Mind Blast- 1, one point wonder used in duels, I'll explain later
when you run out of places to put your skills, I suggest fade, shadow master/warrior (whichever you chose) and claw block as good places for them.

V- Stats

Same as all other builds
Strength- enough to wear gear, don't forget annihilus and torch benefits
Dexterity- enough for claws, don't go for max block, there is no shield (DUH!)
Vitality- all points
Energy- none

VI- Gear- A- what I wear, B- best possible gear, C- second best alternative
Helm
A-2 sin/ 20% FCR circlet with Um rune in it.
B- rare +2 all skills/reses/str/2os with 15ias/15 all res jewels** or um/shael runes
C-magical +3 traps/100 life with 2 15 ias/ 15 all res jewels- best of both worlds, skills, life, ias AND reses

Gloves
A- Magefists- for mana and FCR
B- depends, need more mana? Go for Frostburns, want fcr? Go for Magefists or Trang’s
C-Magefists- decent mana regeneration, some caste rate to help you teleport, if you feel the need.

Body Armor
A- Enigma- teleport, +2 skills, str mod, common sense
B-Enigma- It's the best
C-Chains of Honor- same skills, 65 all res, +20 str mod, no teleport =(

Amulet
A-+2 traps/all res 20 amulet- slight upgrade from the +3 traps, yet not a mara's
B-some say Mara's, some say 2 all/traps rare with str/res mods. Choice is yours.
C-+3 traps/any other beneficial mod (I.E.- all res/some res, life, str, dex (for the claws), mana)

Rings
A-SoJ- common sense, +mana, + mana regen, +skills
B- SoJ- There's a reason I use it...
C- rare all res/str rings, Raven Frosts for CBF and dex.

Boots
A-War travs- faster r/w, str/vita mod, mf
B-probably eth treks
C-rare boots with good reses and faster r/w, or Nats- great faster R/W and dual reses.

Belt
A-Arachnid-+skills, 5% max mana, and fcr
B-Arachnid- Can't be beat.
C-verdungo's? It's very hard to find a second best behind that which is arachnid's mesh...

Weapons
A- two greater talons claws, one with base 20% ias other without. Both have random mods, but the important ones are +2 sin skills, +3 Lightning sentry, socketed with 15% ias/15% all res jewels.
B-dual claws with +2 all skills/+3 lightning sentry socketed with 15% all res/ 15% IAS jewels**
C-hoto/spirit- it really pains me to mention it, but people want/use it so...there.

Switch
A-6 Bo CTA/ Spirit- bo's obvious, +shadow discipline skills tree for shadow master and fade/burst of speed
B-6 Bo CTA/ Spirit- every character (minus barbs) should have it
C-any bo cta/spirit(or lidless)- something is better than nothing right? Or possibly even wands with Lower Resist charges on it.

Charms
A- 9 +1 traps gcs and at least 40+ to life, perf torch, 12/18/8 anni, scs= two +dex/ 5 all res sc’s (needed dex for new claws) random FHR and life scs/res
B- 9 +1 traps gcs with +45 to life, perf torch/anni, scs= 5 all res/20 life/maybe some 5 fhr- thats the absolute best
C- any mix of +life/mana gc/sc, all res, fhr, fr/w, any torch/anni

Merc
A-1 off perf eth infinity colossus voulge, eth duriel's shell, tal rasha's helm
B-perfect eth infinity colossus voulge, eth glitched fortitude in a high defense armor (i.e. sacred armor), eth andy's visage (with pruby) or tal's helm.
C- any infinity (it's a must), any high defense armor with reses, any life leech helm

VII-Various Strategies

PvM

This is a very fun and effective build for pvm. The only catch is you MUST keep your merc alive in Hell. The infinity will break all immunities minus those of a super unique monster. My general strategy is to set traps and let my merc/shadow master tank the badguys. It's not a very good idea to try to tank too much. When killing in an area where Iron Maiden is abundant, like the Chaos Sanctuary, my main strategy is to place traps and keep teleporting to keep my merc next to me. I let the traps kill everything and I generally keep out of the thick of it. The idea is that even if the merc gets iron maidened I can teleport to safety and port and cure his curse in town. It's time consuming but very effective, and cost efficient. I'd rather pay the 100 gold per TP than 50,000 gold per merc. The main reason to keep your merc alive is because of the infinity. infinity has conviction which breaks most lightning immunes and it has alot of damage. helping your merc kill light immunes that are too tough to break.

PvP

There are two ways to play a trapsin in pvp, defensively and offensively. Obviously they differ greatly, and their application is based on the type and playing style of your opponent.

Defensive- This is the easiest way to play a trapsin. Literally cast traps and don't get hit. I find this to be effective vs very few classes. You can use it vs overly arrogant barbs, but watch out they might tele and/or survive long enough to pwn you. But I'm not going to give you step by step instructions for every class. This build is to help you make a good to godly trapsin, not hold your hand and teach you the game.

Offensive- This is a very difficult strategy to perfect. it requires you to keep teleporting/avoiding your opponent and simultaneously cast traps around you. it's the only way to beat a sorc. You must keep in mind that when a trap is set it will only stay there if you stay within a one and a half screen radius of it. That's approximately two teleports. Now, I usually place 3 traps near a corner in the map and teleport out to lure the opponent where they are. when they take the bait, which they inevitably will (at least once), cast your remaining two where you are standing at that moment, they will teleport on or near you. the 2 are to keep them back and/or stun them. this is where mind blast comes into play. you get the opponent caught up in your first three traps, hopefully within range of the two "safety" traps, and you try to mind-lock them. cast mind blast continuously and hope their FHR is low. this only works in pubs. (aka vs non-elites) The reason you shouldn't do this vs elite duelers is they usually have high FHR which will beat your stun effect and let them out, thus they "catch you with your pants down"

**- read the FAQ's about whether or not you should use these jewels or level BoS.
VIII- Conclusion

This is my trapsin, and my general idea of what I belive makes a trapsin good, if not godly. If you have any questions feel free to contact me either here on diablo2.com
or via Email at LclAnubis55906@yahoo.com. If you have any constructive criticism I would gladly consider your comment and possibly even revise my guide.

theOG22093
10-18-2008, 04:42 AM
Ok:
1. On any trapper that you intend to Pvp with, PLEASE aim for atleast 65fcr. 102 C/c Trappers are a glory to play, after playing it for a while my Ghost feels sluggish.

Here's a link to most likely one of the hottest trap sin guides that I know of, very comprehensive: (Dave is not only one of the best trappers, but probably one of the best sin players around)
http://forums.d2jsp.org/index.php?showtopic=18354211&f=87


I can't stress enough how fun chain locking with Fireblast is against necs, it really ****s over the ****ty ones.

Anubis
10-18-2008, 07:17 AM
I think I said I wanted to say i was going for the 65%, but I can't without an ammy. I refuse to wear hacked/nonlegit items, so the 102% c/c trapper isn't going to happen for me (I can't bring myself to wear griffs either) I want the fcr, thats one of the things i changed my mind about. problem is, I dont have the ammy, and losing a soj for 10% fcr isn't worth it IMO.

theOG22093
10-18-2008, 09:56 AM
I think I said I wanted to say i was going for the 65%, but I can't without an ammy. I refuse to wear hacked/nonlegit items, so the 102% c/c trapper isn't going to happen for me (I can't bring myself to wear griffs either) I want the fcr, thats one of the things i changed my mind about. problem is, I dont have the ammy, and losing a soj for 10% fcr isn't worth it IMO.

+1skills Mana

for
10Fcr/EXTREME possibility of mods (str/dex/life/mana/rep/res)
Not to mention the next breakpoint in cast


It's MORE than worth it, I've never been in a situation where I was using a SoJ/Bk on a trapper.


Using griffons is indeed again more than worth it to reach that 102 BP, and there are legit 08 valks around but they are extremely expensive.

Crimson-tide
10-19-2008, 12:13 AM
Yes, the lack of high FCR bp, will make this a sub par build too any GG Sin... the 65% BP is ok, 102 is good, but isn't really necessary

theOG22093
10-23-2008, 01:53 AM
Yes, the lack of high FCR bp, will make this a sub par build too any GG Sin... the 65% BP is ok, 102 is good, but isn't really necessary

I'm tired of you going around posting this, if you're going to play a c/c trapper go 102, /end.

2.0
10-23-2008, 02:04 AM
Josh, you're by no means a sin expert. Stop acting like you are.

theOG22093
10-23-2008, 02:45 AM
Josh, you're by no means a sin expert. Stop acting like you are.

I'm trying to give the best advice I can, your post is completely off topic..
Why rage so much kid?
And I could care less about your opinions, so you're just wasting your time posting them.

Anubis
10-23-2008, 07:06 AM
no, the 102% is not a required bp of the c/c trapper. it is a preferred bp, and only by people who use hacked/nonlegit items (ie 08 valk), or a near completely useless helm. (+1 skills and FCR is all the helps) AND it can't be found on NL (which I play) AND i'm not wasting my resources on another griffs. so, if you want a c/c trapper build so bad, make your own guide. until then gtfo my guide.

and if you want to go on the topic of whose opinions matter, I'd take 2.0's opinion over yours. all i hear from you is "if it's not the way I say, it sucks" and that's not how it goes irl.

theOG22093
10-23-2008, 10:53 PM
no, the 102% is not a required bp of the c/c trapper. it is a preferred bp, and only by people who use hacked/nonlegit items (ie 08 valk), or a near completely useless helm. (+1 skills and FCR is all the helps) AND it can't be found on NL (which I play) AND i'm not wasting my resources on another griffs. so, if you want a c/c trapper build so bad, make your own guide. until then gtfo my guide.

and if you want to go on the topic of whose opinions matter, I'd take 2.0's opinion over yours. all i hear from you is "if it's not the way I say, it sucks" and that's not how it goes irl.

Oh yea, now I remember who you were before the reset..
Good luck with your pvm trapper ***.

The benefits of using griffons is the 102fcr, not the mods on the helm itself (besides the 25).

I don't understand why you hate griffons but use SoJ's on your trappers..

I have a c/c trapper in-game, and I don't need to make a guide. I've thought about making one more than once, but Dave's guide covers everything.

But I'm not going to give you step by step instructions for every class. This build is to help you make a good to godly trapsin, not hold your hand and teach you the game.
"if it's not the way I say, it sucks"
Your way of nothing sucks a lot harder than my way of the general opinion.

Any build based of what this guide says is by no means good much less godly.

Anubis
10-24-2008, 09:18 PM
Why not hate griffs on a trapper? When you can get just as good mods, if not better, from a circlet? Sure you dont get 5% fcr, and you can't hit the bp. But when it comes to helm you can find better than 1 skill. You can get 3 traps/2 all sin, reses, fhr, life, fcr, stats. With a fcr ammy you can hit the 65% breakpoint. And I say ammy over ring because you can get better than mara's on the ammy. Skill/fcr/res/stats etc. but on the ring you cant get skills from anything other than soj/bk.

I'm going for a build that deals damage, not just runs away fast.

And I have met 102 c/c trappers in game, and I can tell you that with 8k traps vs 14k traps, mblock doesnt have much of an affect. I can MB lock a 102 c/c with 60% fcr. And when I was locked (which is not hard to do, there is no FHR in this build, or any c/c build for that matter) I tanked enough traps to either A) get out or B) kill the other sin, because their traps do no damage after pvp penalties and res saves.

No where in this guide did I state this is the BEST type of assassin. Nor did I say it is the only assassin, or the only way to build a trapsin. And nowhere did I say this is an elite pvp character, nor do I claim to be one. I say this is a way to build good to godly trapsins. And imo a godly trapsin can solo hell pvm AND kill pubs. Pure pvp builds tend to suck solo pvm. Take a smiter for example. Smiters can't solo hell easily. If they get swamped in chaos sanc and IMed it's game over. This sin is well rounded. Covers all bases.

If you want a pure pvp trapper, then go to jsp and buy one. they will be glad to sell you dupes to help you win. but if you want to enjoy Diablo II, the game, then this build can do it.



Your way of nothing sucks a lot harder than my way of the general opinion.


can you speak english? this sentence makes no sense...

And good, I'm glad you remember me. That means I made some sort of lasting impression on you. I personally don't care if it was positive or not. Because you sure didn't leave on on me, which tells me you probably aren't important enough for me to remember you.

theOG22093
10-25-2008, 10:57 PM
I get to disect yet another mass of mess...

Why not hate griffs on a trapper? When you can get just as good mods, if not better, from a circlet? Sure you dont get 5% fcr, and you can't hit the bp. But when it comes to helm you can find better than 1 skill. You can get 3 traps/2 all sin, reses, fhr, life, fcr, stats. With a fcr ammy you can hit the 65% breakpoint. And I say ammy over ring because you can get better than mara's on the ammy. Skill/fcr/res/stats etc. but on the ring you cant get skills from anything other than soj/bk.

I'm going for a build that deals damage, not just runs away fast.

And I have met 102 c/c trappers in game, and I can tell you that with 8k traps vs 14k traps, mblock doesnt have much of an affect. I can MB lock a 102 c/c with 60% fcr. And when I was locked (which is not hard to do, there is no FHR in this build, or any c/c build for that matter) I tanked enough traps to either A) get out or B) kill the other sin, because their traps do no damage after pvp penalties and res saves.


1. 102Fcr> ANY 65fcr build, thats it. it doesnt matter what you're getting from the helm, that can EASILY be made up elsewhere.
2. Good trapper play offensively, NOT defensively. 102fcr contributes more to that than anything 65cr can offer. 8k traps? What are you building with? My d2pk build can crack 13k traps on a 1v1 setup, and I'm POSITIVE if I wanted to I can crank 11-12k on west..
3. Well the breakpoint is 65 not 60, so you're playing some REAL baddies.
4. Play better trappers..

No where in this guide did I state this is the BEST type of assassin. Nor did I say it is the only assassin, or the only way to build a trapsin. And nowhere did I say this is an elite pvp character, nor do I claim to be one. I say this is a way to build good to godly trapsins. And imo a godly trapsin can solo hell pvm AND kill pubs. Pure pvp builds tend to suck solo pvm. Take a smiter for example. Smiters can't solo hell easily. If they get swamped in chaos sanc and IMed it's game over. This sin is well rounded. Covers all bases.

1.HOLY CONTRADICT!
Good-godly: generally means "the best" or close to it.

If you want a pure pvp trapper, then go to jsp and buy one. they will be glad to sell you dupes to help you win. but if you want to enjoy Diablo II, the game, then this build can do it.
Many people that are visa free use jsp.
If you're having problems with the pub unperm trappers, the assassin guide section isn't the place to cry about it :(






can you speak english? this sentence makes no sense...
Your way of nothing sucks a lot harder than my way of the general opinion.-
No one cares about your BAD opinion, when the general opinion (which is what I follow) is better.

And good, I'm glad you remember me. That means I made some sort of lasting impression on you. I personally don't care if it was positive or not. Because you sure didn't leave on on me, which tells me you probably aren't important enough for me to remember you.

I'm not trying to make an impression on you, but I hope i can make an impression of change on YOUR waying of playing trappers, which is considerably bad.

Even though it means nothing to you, yes your impression on me was bad in the past as it remains.

Raven
10-27-2008, 04:15 AM
I get to disect yet another mass of mess...

1. 102Fcr> ANY 65fcr build, thats it. it doesnt matter what you're getting from the helm, that can EASILY be made up elsewhere.
2. Good trapper play offensively, NOT defensively. 102fcr contributes more to that than anything 65cr can offer. 8k traps? What are you building with? My d2pk build can crack 13k traps on a 1v1 setup, and I'm POSITIVE if I wanted to I can crank 11-12k on west..
3. Well the breakpoint is 65 not 60, so you're playing some REAL baddies.
4. Play better trappers..

1.HOLY CONTRADICT!
Good-godly: generally means "the best" or close to it.


Many people that are visa free use jsp.
If you're having problems with the pub unperm trappers, the assassin guide section isn't the place to cry about it :(







Your way of nothing sucks a lot harder than my way of the general opinion.-
No one cares about your BAD opinion, when the general opinion (which is what I follow) is better.



I'm not trying to make an impression on you, but I hope i can make an impression of change on YOUR waying of playing trappers, which is considerably bad.

Even though it means nothing to you, yes your impression on me was bad in the past as it remains.

1. He never contradicted himself. Your trying to put words into his mouth. Your trying to say that your 102 build is the only way to make a trapper, when last a checked it was a matter of choice and personal use.

2. Ive seen this build in action, And hes right, the only way your gonna get to 13k traps using a 102bp build is by using dupes.

3. If you run a character for the better part of 3 years, theres a pretty good chance youve seen and dueled majority if not all of the opposing trapper builds. You "duel better trappers" is just plain stupid as a statement of arguement.

4. when hes says 60% its becuase when your in real duel games (those in which by your ideas you havent been in) hes dealin with more then one type of duel, so he swaps gear down to 60%

5. He also never stated having problems with Jsp brats, he just said he didnt like them and that its a bought build. Visa or not you can buy your build for about as much as a happy meal. At least thats what i think it would be worth.

6. There is no such thing as a bad opinion, only one in which you do not agree with. Had you said that to a newer player or people seeking advice you might have turned them off to the game, and that sir is wrong and unacceptable. Try taking into account its just a game. It might make your life easier.

theOG22093
10-27-2008, 04:41 AM
1. He never contradicted himself. Your trying to put words into his mouth. Your trying to say that your 102 build is the only way to make a trapper, when last a checked it was a matter of choice and personal use.

2. Ive seen this build in action, And hes right, the only way your gonna get to 13k traps using a 102bp build is by using dupes.

3. If you run a character for the better part of 3 years, theres a pretty good chance youve seen and dueled majority if not all of the opposing trapper builds. You "duel better trappers" is just plain stupid as a statement of arguement.

4. when hes says 60% its becuase when your in real duel games (those in which by your ideas you havent been in) hes dealin with more then one type of duel, so he swaps gear down to 60%

5. He also never stated having problems with Jsp brats, he just said he didnt like them and that its a bought build. Visa or not you can buy your build for about as much as a happy meal. At least thats what i think it would be worth.

6. There is no such thing as a bad opinion, only one in which you do not agree with. Had you said that to a newer player or people seeking advice you might have turned them off to the game, and that sir is wrong and unacceptable. Try taking into account its just a game. It might make your life easier.

1. "I am not trying to say this build is the best" "Im trying to say this is how you can build a good to godly trapper" both quotes from him off the top of my head.

2. And you're over rating trap damage, it's not as important as you're making it sound. The difference between 11k traps and 13k traps is miniscule, but the difference between 11k 102fcr c/c trapper and a 13k 65 fcr c/c trapper is enormous.

3. I said he needs to duel better trappers, 3 years of pubbing is not the way to go.

4. 60% fcr doesn't meet the bp, but I suppose since you settle for 65 in the first place its "ok" to settle for 42..

5. Blah blah blah, eye h8z jay ess pee. "it's just a game"

6. another hippocrite, rage on people paying for items but tell me it's just a game (one that I quit..)
A bad opinion= a bad opinion, /end


I remember you being the guy that always backed him up loool...I just remembered his little "Now this is how a real guide looks" intro in the last version......LOL

Raven
10-27-2008, 04:59 AM
Agian theres no such thing as a bad opinion. Thats why its called an opinion.

Opinion - An opinion is a person's ideas and thoughts towards something which it is either impossible to verify the truth of, or the truth of which is thought unimportant to the person.

His idea of a good-godly trapper is diffrent then yours. so its not self contradicting. Good- godly is never teh deciding facter in "best" its how its played.

I nver raged i simply stated jsp is for people not interested in playing the game, and investing time into the experience. It kinda defeats the purpose of playing wouldnt you think?

H8z is one stupid and out of context. I didnt say i hated them. I called them brats. "Hate" is a strong word for anything.

"its just a game" Way to quote me in more ways then one. Maybe now you can listen to yourself on that one.

If your idea od Dueling is not pub games then your missing the ideas of the guide completely. Pub duels are enevitable. It happens, inless you just keep doing setup jsp duels. Just dosent seem as fun.

Yea i do back him up when i know hes not wrong. You cant be wrong by posting something people might have a use for. Direct yourself to the definition above. Its what guides pretty much derive from.

theOG22093
10-27-2008, 05:14 AM
Agian theres no such thing as a bad opinion. Thats why its called an opinion.

Opinion - An opinion is a person's ideas and thoughts towards something which it is either impossible to verify the truth of, or the truth of which is thought unimportant to the person.

His idea of a good-godly trapper is diffrent then yours. so its not self contradicting. Good- godly is never teh deciding facter in "best" its how its played.

I nver raged i simply stated jsp is for people not interested in playing the game, and investing time into the experience. It kinda defeats the purpose of playing wouldnt you think?

H8z is one stupid and out of context. I didnt say i hated them. I called them brats. "Hate" is a strong word for anything.

"its just a game" Way to quote me in more ways then one. Maybe now you can listen to yourself on that one.

If your idea od Dueling is not pub games then your missing the ideas of the guide completely. Pub duels are enevitable. It happens, inless you just keep doing setup jsp duels. Just dosent seem as fun.

Yea i do back him up when i know hes not wrong. You cant be wrong by posting something people might have a use for. Direct yourself to the definition above. Its what guides pretty much derive from.

It's my opinion that his opinion is a bad opinion, is my opinion bad? O_O
ZOMG EYE CANN LUK /\ dEFFENITTUNS!!!

ORRRRR....maybe people that prefer to trade via jsp because the pubs are tainted!! ZOMG A THEORY!!!!

Atleast on this ****ing game, godly is a term used to mean "the best or one of the best/Unkillable"

IZZ MAH OPINION, u tink izz bad?

Most of the better duelers stay out of pubs, they are full of BM players and hack/modders, now that sir is POINTLESS.

I'm simply saying that there is a much more effective build that is relatively easily available, he puts down griffons but uses sojs on a trapper, go back to baaling N MAH OPNYUN!

Anubis
10-27-2008, 08:06 PM
Well, thank you for your opinion, but to be honest, you have overstayed your welcome. Simply stating that a 102 c/c trapper could be better at pvp and leaving it at that would have been sufficient. But you went on to say/imply this guide sucks.

This guide doesn't suck. Back to the opinion thing, good-godly means can handle more than one or two aspects of the game. You have told me time and again that this build isn't suited for perfect pvp. And I EVEN AGREED and you argue more! So look, drop the ****ing subject! I'm tired of reading redundant posts. You fail to bring up a better argument with more points or evidence. In a court the judge would have kicked out your case by the second post.

I have not seen a decent trapper guide on this website, that's why mine is posted. The "here's how a good guide is written" part of my first version was directed to another trapsin guide posted right after the reset. That was the worst guide i've ever seen. I am a firm believer in taking time and effort into writing a guide. Using correct grammar and punctuation. That's what the comment was directed towards.

I would love to know how you opinion should matter to me or other players, when you don't even play anymore.... Kinda like me giving Roy Williams advice on how to tackle, or Tony Romo how to throw. Do you think they would honestly listen to me? Even if I was right? No, I'm afraid they wouldn't.

(that was not a comparison of "nonplayer vs professional," it was "person who does act consistently vs person who doesn't," because nowhere have I ever said I was a professional.)


And dueling in pubs teaches you alot of thing. It teaches you how to survive. Yeah cool you can survive gm 1v1 vs another good player. But can you survive (and win) vs a bowazon, javazon (fc ofc), aa hdin, bm smiter, fb sorc and a summonmancer with only a bva on your team? Chances are, probably not. (Chances are definitely not, you don't even play)

And don't give me that "I quit cause it's so boring" crap, I don't want to know why you quit. Just like my impression on you, I don't even care.

/end rant

music.
10-27-2008, 08:44 PM
this guide sucks. trappers = bad.

tgods #1 #1.

Get raged bad kids.

theOG22093
10-27-2008, 09:45 PM
You can't bring up a post load of new subjects and expect to end something.

Well, thank you for your opinion, but to be honest, you have overstayed your welcome. Simply stating that a 102 c/c trapper could be better at pvp and leaving it at that would have been sufficient. But you went on to say/imply this guide sucks.

This guide doesn't suck. Back to the opinion thing, good-godly means can handle more than one or two aspects of the game. You have told me time and again that this build isn't suited for perfect pvp. And I EVEN AGREED and you argue more! So look, drop the ****ing subject! I'm tired of reading redundant posts. You fail to bring up a better argument with more points or evidence. In a court the judge would have kicked out your case by the second post.

What judge is that? ISO a judge.
This guide does indeed suck, case closed.

I have not seen a decent trapper guide on this website, that's why mine is posted. The "here's how a good guide is written" part of my first version was directed to another trapsin guide posted right after the reset. That was the worst guide i've ever seen. I am a firm believer in taking time and effort into writing a guide. Using correct grammar and punctuation. That's what the comment was directed towards.

That's because there aren't many good guides on this forum to begin with. just because there's a lack of anything at all doesn't mean you should post bad ****. Correct grammar and punctuation won't help someone make a trapper the right way, comprehensive gear setups/ dueling strategies and experience will.

I would love to know how you opinion should matter to me or other players, when you don't even play anymore.... Kinda like me giving Roy Williams advice on how to tackle, or Tony Romo how to throw. Do you think they would honestly listen to me? Even if I was right? No, I'm afraid they wouldn't.

You fail by comparing a game to a real life proffessional sport. I quit maybe 4 days ago, d2 was not neccessarily "boring" at the time for me I just moved on to something else. I was actively playing Ghosts/Hybrids/and TRAPPERS on the day I quit.


(that was not a comparison of "nonplayer vs professional," it was "person who does act consistently vs person who doesn't," because nowhere have I ever said I was a professional.)
Good thing, or I would've bashed that too.


And dueling in pubs teaches you alot of thing. It teaches you how to survive. Yeah cool you can survive gm 1v1 vs another good player. But can you survive (and win) vs a bowazon, javazon (fc ofc), aa hdin, bm smiter, fb sorc and a summonmancer with only a bva on your team? Chances are, probably not. (Chances are definitely not, you don't even play)

Dueling against a 90% BM population will only have a large effect on your BM dueling skills, any GM sin players would beat you down, badly..

And don't give me that "I quit cause it's so boring" crap, I don't want to know why you quit. Just like my impression on you, I don't even care.

You have driven me to reinstall d2pk, and because you say there are no good trapper guides here I will start on a trapper guide after this post.

/end rant
G'day mate.

this guide sucks. trappers = bad.

tgods #1 #1.

Get raged bad kids.

Welcome you stereotype pub dueler to the guide thread anubis.

2.0
10-28-2008, 03:26 AM
Jesus Christ Josh. -_-

theOG22093
10-28-2008, 03:55 AM
Jesus Christ Josh. -_-

I made the mistake to post a HORRIBLE "ghost" (was actually based on a hybrid, go figure) guide, I don't want to see the same done for a trapper. Well the guides up, but it needs work done. I'll edit it over the week, enjoying my Blood Elf Rogue though ^^. Made her look like an assassin, hope you're enjoying the sorc/nec, w/e jord let you play. If I would've remembered you had got jacked I would've given you the nec, I 4getz doh soweez.

music.
10-28-2008, 01:37 PM
im #1, josh = #9

theOG22093
10-28-2008, 09:49 PM
im #1, josh = #9

That's cool.

dainbramage
10-29-2008, 06:49 AM
music.
Banned

about time.

theOG22093
10-29-2008, 08:23 PM
about time.

Vouch.

hairymastadons
11-14-2008, 03:15 AM
currently im using a variation of this guide and a few others.
the most difficult thing for me is the gear. but its comin together nicely:)
i love the dmg and the fact i can cast and run if i need :)

BuckeyeTye
09-17-2009, 04:37 AM
ok first let me say awesome guide and thankyou so much for it. its helped a ton. i have jsut one question. i run out of mana REALLY quick and every guide ive checked say to put zero points into energy. im at a loss cause im using mana potions but im running out quick. what should i do. im only lvl 25 right now. started my trapsin 2 days ago.

thanks,
-Sean

Pagellini
11-16-2009, 04:27 AM
once u get higher lvl u will have more mana

get mana items

Undead7
11-27-2009, 03:41 AM
Wat up with the retarded not needed ****.

I mean the random AS for traps and other rndm ****