My New Kicksin

[KingSabin]

Alright, I have been considering making a new Martial Arts Assassin using Dragon Talon. I have never made a MA Sin for PvM only, but I'd like a little help with the stats and skill placement. Heres what I think so far.

Skills-
Talon-20
Venom-20

Those are the only 2 I know of I need to max. I have seen a Uber Kicksin guide that didn't use a charge up skill, so would I need one for just regular boss runs and maybe ubers every once in a while? Also, is C/C just not viable? Should I got for Last Wish/Stormshield or is there a better option for weapons? Also, Should I max out fade for extra resist?

Thanks

[theOG22093]

Alright, I have been considering making a new Martial Arts Assassin using Dragon Talon. I have never made a MA Sin for PvM only, but I'd like a little help with the stats and skill placement. Heres what I think so far.

Skills-
Talon-20
Venom-20

Those are the only 2 I know of I need to max. I have seen a Uber Kicksin guide that didn't use a charge up skill, so would I need one for just regular boss runs and maybe ubers every once in a while? Also, is C/C just not viable? Should I got for Last Wish/Stormshield or is there a better option for weapons? Also, Should I max out fade for extra resist?

Thanks


Google Uber KickSin

[KingSabin]

I have googled it thank you, but they all came up with mixed results and thats why I posted here. Some used Talon, some charge up, many had arguments and I would like a little discussion here so I could see what some people here think.

[HiTS]

If you max TS and DTalon you can do insane amounts of physical damage. Add a good fistful of crushing blow to the equation you can drop bosses with ease. You can they either add PS and some synergies, or hybridize with some traps, to overcome the PIs. There are lots of options. I don't think I'd bother with Venom, the damage is nice, but I can think of better ways to spend the 20 skill points. Don't forget DFlight, one point is enough.

[KingSabin]

Would it be better to go C/C and use max claw mastery or just use normal weapons such as last wish?

[HiTS]

I've used both, c/c and w/s and frankly there's not a lot of difference, it may just come down to a matter of preference. As for mastery, I've never bother to put much in it, with +skills/+tree/skillers you can bring it up to 15+.

[mephiztophelez]

as for skills, i'd be maxxing death sentry too.

If you max TS and DTalon you can do insane amounts of physical damage
a complete waste of time.

Would it be better to go C/C and use max claw mastery or just use normal weapons such as last wish?
i like wep/shield for pvm kickers.

stormshield//stormlash > all.

[dainbramage]

as for skills, i'd be maxxing death sentry too.


a complete waste of time.


i like wep/shield for pvm kickers.

stormshield//stormlash > all.
This, though fleshripper is more versatile than lash (though lash is better for pure kicking).

(assuming pvm) chances are investing 20 points in venom is going to be a waste. Consider that the strength of kicks is that you attack at 3fpa - this means that venom only lasts 4 frames rather than 10, hence your venom is only doing 40% of the listed damage. For 20 skill points, adding ~300 damage isn't very spectacular.

The 'core' build essentially is a bunch of points into talon, 1 venom, 1 blade fury, 1+ death sentry, and however much you need in the shadow tree to keep yourself alive (1 cloak of shadows, 1+ fade, 1+ mindblast, 1 shadow master). This makes it easy to branch into traps as a solution to PI's and IM.

[HiTS]

a complete waste of time.

Ave 25K damage on the first kick with a fully charged TS with average gear isn't too bad, plus crushing blow in the remainder of the kicks. I must have more time to waste than you, then again as a SPer I don't have uber gear.

[dainbramage]

25K damage
LCS doing its thang.


Kick damage formula:

MinDmg = (str+dex-20)/4)*(100+skill_bonus)/100 + BootMinDam*(100+str*1.2+skill_bonus)/100

MaxDmg = (str+dex-20)/3)*(100+skill_bonus)/100 + BootMaxDam*(100+str*1.2+skill_bonus)/100

Note how little damage ed (for fort etc, group add it onto skill_bonus) actually gives.


You'll do more damage by kicking repeatedly than by charging up and then kicking.

OTOH, a tiger/tail build works wonders.


EDIT: Play around with this. (http://www.theamazonbasin.com/~mikeandroe/kickcalc/calc.php)

[HiTS]

Ave 25K damage on the first kick with a fully charged TS

*sigh*

[dainbramage]

...plug a level 25 or 30 or whatever-level-you'd-have-it TS into the damage calc I linked. You won't reach anywhere near 25k on your first kick with talon.


EDIT: With max block with stormshield (186 strength/203 dex @ level 90, and those are bloody high stats), using myrmidon greaves, adding a level 30 TS (adds ~2k ed) gives you an extra 4.5k damage on your first kick.