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theOG22093

08-04-2008, 12:27 PM

Still no news on exactly what they are, but here's some interesting info:
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Q&A with Jay Wilson, Lead Designer

Question: Any one big thing you wish you’d had the chance to talk about but didn’t?

JW: I wish people had asked a few more story questions, because we’re bringing back a lot of characters from the previous games. The Barbarian has his own story, and it’s actually meant to be the same Barbarian from D2, the same person. A lot of those characters, we’re trying to pull forward and give them a real place in the Diablo universe - a history and a feeling of depth that I don’t think the previous games have done enough justice to. It’s a great universe with the coolest lore, and we really want to make sure this game serves that.
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This completely rules out that the 3 remaining characters are "new" characters, and since he used the words "a lot of characters from the previous game" I doubt we will see only one more character from the previous titles. There's still hope for the Assassin! :)

N V

08-04-2008, 12:58 PM

Well I'd guess Necros will be brought back if they plan on bringing back "a lot of characters" as he said. Since Blizzard is working with Knaak and his novels, I just can't see how they will be left out, since Necromancers and the cult of Trag'Oul is the core of the stories.

I'd also like to see some sort of Sorceress class, but since they aim at a male/female choice for each class they would either need to make it Sorcerer/Sorceress or perhaps we will see a Viszerei class. I'd like to see the Assassins as well since an Assassin can be male as well which won't be a problem and some sort of paladin. If the WD don't get Shape shifting skills I can see a class like that, but perhaps in a later expansion.

theOG22093

08-04-2008, 01:44 PM

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08-04-2008, 02:26 PM

Kinda hard to ask questions regarding the characters lore when they wont tell what characters will be in the game, but this is rather confusing. The said that the characters will be all new so I, along with many other ppl, thought that they would be entire new classes not seen in the Diablo series before, but I apparently they will bring back chars from D1 and D2. Might be as NPCs.

With new chars they prolly meant that they would totally redefine the specs of the chars. I dont know. Im a bit confused :)

Of the 3 remaining chars I do have a pretty good idea of what they will be, or so I think at least, hehe

Well, 2 chars have been released. The barbarian, brute force, and the WD, summoning and death (so i dont think we will see a Necromancer, at least not as a playable char). That leaves us with three types of characters remaining.

First of, I think we will see some kind of Bow using char. A new type of Amazon(D2)/Rogue(D1). It would be kinda odd of there wasnt a bow using char since there has been that in the two previous games.

Secondly, I think we will see a char that relies soly on magic like the Sorceror(D1) and Sorceress(D2). This is the char I look forward to seing. I will be dissapointed if they dont introduce some kind of magic based char in D3.

Thirdly, and this is where I have most doubt, I think we will see another melee char. So some kind of warrior(d1)/Paladin(D2) is my best bet. When D2 first came out there was 2 melee chars, 2 casters and 1 bow using char aswell.

There will be an expansion for sure opening more option for characters. It would be cool to see some kind of Shapeshifter(Druid) and a Martial Arts char (Assassin), but I dont think that will happen untill expansion, just like LoD.

I cant wait till they release more onfo about the game :)

Omnicide

08-04-2008, 03:28 PM

theOG22093

08-04-2008, 05:01 PM

There was also an announcement somewhere that Blizzard had very few plans, if any, to reuse any classes from the old games. The new classes might be similar to the existing ones now...but it might not be straight out bringing them back. As in...it'll be more of a WD situation than a barbarian situation.

A agree with Rappel though...two of the classes are just painfully obvious.

Some type of Mage and some type of Rogue is a guarentee in my mind. My personaly belief is that they will combine some of the classes. Not fully, but don't be surprised to see a Mage using some of the Druids Elemental skills, and a Ranged character using some traps.

Omnicide

08-04-2008, 05:05 PM

Druidsin imo.

The claws would play VERY nicely into that.

EvilNec

08-04-2008, 05:07 PM

Im still hoping that we will be able to use our toons that we've spent so much time building. Because building new toons kinda sux after you get used to having so many abilitys. Even tho Playing new toons can have their advantages, I wanna be able to play my Nec in the new relms to see how he stands up to different monsters.

Omnicide

08-04-2008, 05:29 PM

D3 isn't an expansion from D2...it's ALL NEW.

So prepare for lots of leveling with **** gear.

theOG22093

08-04-2008, 05:40 PM

Omnicide

08-04-2008, 05:50 PM

Silly people refusing to let go.

kenorwoks

08-04-2008, 06:22 PM

I'm really hoping that they dont make the chars too much like WoW chars..and I'd really like to see a shapeshifter as one of the 3 remaining chars.. druidsin sounds like a good idea..wind traps and fire traps..stuff like that..poisons..would be interesting to see how they could make that work out

edit:

i'm not saying that i think the chars are like wow chars so far at all..just hoping they won't take that turn for the worse.. and i HIGHLY doubt they will

Raigntk

08-04-2008, 07:11 PM

Im not sure what the new classes will be but i have a few ideas.

Death Knight or maybe Dragon Disciple could be one mixing the sorc and paladin class.
Possibly a rogue, mixing the sin and zon class.
as for the third one i have no idea. I was thinking somewhere along the lines of a mix between a bard (musical instrument player) and a druid.

I cant wait till we get to hear more about d3.

EvilNec

08-04-2008, 07:59 PM

Lol after hundreds of hours at this pc, falling asleep at the kb, cussing because people interupt , going without sleep b4 work, Lol you can see why its hard to let go

Omnicide

08-04-2008, 08:30 PM

Actually, no I don't.

I do all those things and can still let go just fine.

DimmuDraicher

08-04-2008, 10:14 PM

well theres diffinately going to be a amazon type and sorc type class, thats 3 non hybrid classes if u will (barb/ranger/sorc), theres already 1 type of hybrid class WD with summoning and disease type spells, so i figure the last one will be another type of hybrid probably melee/magic class, maybe a paladin "because we’re bringing back a lot of characters from the previous games"

smalltobacco

08-05-2008, 01:38 AM

At the World Wide Invitational 2008 event in Paris, Blizzard Entertainment announced Diablo III and two of the game's playable character classes: The Barbarian and the Witch Doctor. There's no word yet on what the three others may be.

Q: Will the seven classes from Diablo II be kept as well as the new classes you're introducing?

A: We have no plans to carry classes over. It's a fresh start, we haven't finalized the final classes or how many there will be. We're not trying to bring back Diablo II classes.

Joystiq, Transcript of WWI 2008 Developer Panel Q&A, 2008

Blizzard Entertainment also stated that other than the Barbarian, there will be NO returning character classes from the first two games. It's quite likely that the Barbarian is an exception because it was far and wide the favorite character class, most often chosen by Diablo II players.

i don't know how to make it more clear or simple.
this is from planetdiablo-here's an exact link for non-believers or whatever.
http://www.planetdiablo.com/diablo3/characters/

when the interviewee claimed "bringing back a lot of old characters" it wasn't as characters to play, just npc's. i read that somewhere on the blizzard website, i'll post the link IF i'm not to lazy to go on a hunt.

DimmuDraicher

08-05-2008, 02:21 AM

we may not be able to predict the Exact classes but theres a good chance there will be a pure magic and pure range class

kenorwoks

08-05-2008, 02:22 AM

cmon shapeshifter!

theOG22093

08-05-2008, 02:41 AM

i don't know how to make it more clear or simple.
this is from planetdiablo-here's an exact link for non-believers or whatever.
http://www.planetdiablo.com/diablo3/characters/

when the interviewee claimed "bringing back a lot of old characters" it wasn't as characters to play, just npc's. i read that somewhere on the blizzard website, i'll post the link IF i'm not to lazy to go on a hunt.

They could also be bringing back a character from the original, or just plain out messing up and contradicting themselves.

kenorwoks

08-05-2008, 03:16 AM

They could also be bringing back a character from the original, or just plain out messing up and contradicting themselves.

you never really know..we will just have to hold our breath until they make the final announcment.....did i mention, cmon shapeshifter!? :D

Raigntk

08-05-2008, 04:08 AM

lol i kinda hope they make that dragon disciple that would be fudginmakaes awesome!!!

theOG22093

08-05-2008, 04:17 AM

Personally, I'm allready fine with just the barbarian. I can't wait to try out the W.D. and the other new classes though.

Raigntk

08-05-2008, 04:53 AM

lol yeah. lol locusts ftw is what its gona turn out to be for pvm lol.

theOG22093

08-05-2008, 05:03 AM

lol yeah. lol locusts ftw is what its gona turn out to be for pvm lol.

WAY too early to tell.

Raigntk

08-05-2008, 06:08 AM

WAY too early to tell.

well either way it still looks pwnage lol

theOG22093

08-05-2008, 06:14 AM

well either way it still looks pwnage lol

Indeed. There will be tons of new builds to mess around with, hopefully I can form one of my own :)

Raigntk

08-05-2008, 06:19 AM

Indeed. There will be tons of new builds to mess around with, hopefully I can form one of my own :)

lol same. ill prob make a buncha hybrids to test out everything lol. I really hope the dont make an open bnet like they did with diablo 2 or we are gona see hacks again.:(

theOG22093

08-05-2008, 06:55 AM

lol same. ill prob make a buncha hybrids to test out everything lol. I really hope the dont make an open bnet like they did with diablo 2 or we are gona see hacks again.:(

They probably will, in which case just play on closed.

N V

08-05-2008, 08:37 AM

Actually I remember reading that they said they where thinking about 5 classes, but it was not set in stone, and we could get more classes than 5.

Even though Blizzard says they won't bring back any more old classes, there is bound to be similarities. I'm just waiting for a pure caster class like the sorc ^_^

theOG22093

08-05-2008, 08:41 AM

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08-05-2008, 09:40 AM

Thought that sorc was the most favorite class overall? Barb maybe was the favorite in Classic (pre LoD) and Pala has been the most used char after patch 1.10+. But Im allmost sure the sorc is the most used in all of the D2 universe. Besides there was a mage class (Sorcerer) n D1 aswell. You wouldn find a barb in D1. Hence the sorc class has been in the lore longer.

So choosing the barb as the char to comeback because it is the most popular is total bs! I think they choose it, and I think they said that in the gameplay video aswell, because it stands for brute force. Not much to think about just get in there and start killing monsters :)

Btw that was @ smalltobacco's post :)

theOG22093

08-05-2008, 10:07 AM

Omnicide

08-05-2008, 03:14 PM

Well...in the story they say the warriors in D1 range from paladins of zakarum and the barbarians of the north. So, in a way, the warrior COULD be the barbarian.

theOG22093

08-05-2008, 03:38 PM

Well...in the story they say the warriors in D1 range from paladins of zakarum and the barbarians of the north. So, in a way, the warrior COULD be the barbarian.

Well I never even knew about this game before expac d2, so idk :)

smalltobacco

08-06-2008, 12:26 AM

Well...in the story they say the warriors in D1 range from paladins of zakarum and the barbarians of the north. So, in a way, the warrior COULD be the barbarian.

WRONG. same sprite, MUCH different playability. http://www.ladyofthecake.com/diablo/bbarian.htm
http://www.ladyofthecake.com/diablo/charactr.htm#clinks

Omnicide

08-06-2008, 12:55 AM

I'm not talking about Hellfire.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diablo_(video_game)

Warrior: The warrior is a powerful melee fighter, master of weapons of war and capable of enduring more damage than any of the other classes. This character also gains a slight increase in the rate of strike with a melee weapon. The background of the character states that they range from barbarians from the northern highlands to noble paladins.

EvilNec

08-06-2008, 01:39 AM

Well Maybe they are going to make some kind of Alchemist? One that uses nothing but potions and elixers.. Just a thought

kenorwoks

08-06-2008, 02:42 AM

Well Maybe they are going to make some kind of Alchemist? One that uses nothing but potions and elixers.. Just a thought
possible part of the WD tree? seems like it could be right up its alley

just read an article on diablofans.com "Diablo 3 News Community"..heres what i found.

“Our approach for classes in ‘Diablo III’ is that we don’t have a strong desire to bring back classes from the previous game,” Wilson told me. “The goal is to try and give people new gameplay and not just re-hash old gameplay. We’re not just making a ‘Diablo II’ with updated 3D graphics.”

The Barbarian, the only other class announced at this time, will return to “Diablo III,” because the team thought they could add new elements to it. As for the Necromancer, Wilson said that he was “a victim of his own success.”

However, for those who are really passionate about the Necromancer, there’s still hope to see the class in a “Diablo III” expansion. In fact, Wilson thought that expansions might be a great place to bring back any of the old classes not included, particularly since the team itself had passionate debates on the topic — almost as much as the game’s art direction.

“There’s a lot of people on our team who aren’t happy with our class choices,” obviously not too many if they decided to use them :eek:

“But after we’ve established ‘Diablo III’ as its own game with its own type of gameplay and experiences, I wouldn’t be opposed to looking at old classes. We are trying to design [the Witch Doctor] class so that if we did bring back the Necromancer, there’s room for him. We’re looking out ahead of time at what our expansions are going to be, so we’ve got to keep room open for some of those other classes down the road.”

“It’s one of those things where, unless we put like 30 classes in the game, people are going to be unhappy. But if we put 30 classes in the game, we’d hurt the game. I think that of the classes that we’ve chosen, there will be something for everyone. I’m not worried that people won’t be able to find a class that they like to play.”

well thats the jist of it..practically 80% of the article..all good info, made me feel at a little more ease especially with the last two paragraphs

p.s.

heres the link if you would like to read the whole article

http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2008/08/05/diablo-iii-necromancer/

N V

08-06-2008, 06:12 AM

I knew I had read that somewhere! Thanks for providing this info Kenorworks :D

So all you people whining that the necro is gone... relax. He may come back in an expansion ;)

smalltobacco

08-06-2008, 07:54 AM

I'm not talking about Hellfire.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diablo_(video_game)

too bad, hellfire was considered the OFFICIAL expansion for diablo 1, and although a different company was involved primarily, blizzard was involved too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diablo:_Hellfire

Hellfire is the only authorized expansion pack released for Diablo.

http://www.planetdiablo.com/hellfire/
The introduction to the only official add-on for Diablo.

Sniper.Wolf

08-06-2008, 07:58 AM

Honestly, now that i think about it, I really don't think that a rogue/amazon will be in the first 5.

Hopefully its a hybrid with Sorc+Druid, i think that'd be pretty cool. Maybe hard to do but still, it'd be cool to see some type of Abonimable (sp?) Snowbear using ice spells like FrOrb.

Here's my dream Top 5 Characters (technically only 3 because they announced Barb and WD, but I would have already had those in my top 5)

1. I'd really like a Hybrid of Druid/Sorc...if that's possible, but I see that more than a Sinzon, or a PallySorc...
2. Paladin...no questions asked. Maybe not exactly a palladin, but something along the lines of that. Like a Pally with more Magic Spells, i guess a knight...Melee/Magic....kind of like a PallySorc, but not as sorceress/sorcerer

AND FINALLY

3. THE ASSASSIN. By far my most favorite class ever in an RPG. Melee, Traps, Magic-ish...lol. It, to me, is one of the most original as well. I really like the Druid too, but I just don't see it even making it in the expansion, it most likely, imo, will be fused with some other type of magic or melee class.

Back to my opinion on the Zon, well even tho it is a very important character, they said they didn't want to bring any class back. So if the already have the Barb, and The WD/Necro (kinda) then why would they have a Zon, Sorc, and Pally....that's exactly like Diablo 2...just with different skills, which is pretty much contradicting. The Zon was my least fav. class, so maybe thats why I think it wont be in the Top 5, but i still hope it isn't.

®@þþ3¬

08-06-2008, 09:18 AM

I dont hope we will see a sorc/druid hyprid. Sorc was my most beloved char in D2 while Druid was my most hated char :D

He he, well its a brand new game. Only time will tell :)

Raigntk

08-06-2008, 01:19 PM

I dont hope we will see a sorc/druid hyprid. Sorc was my most beloved char in D2 while Druid was my most hated char :D

He he, well its a brand new game. Only time will tell :)

I highly doubt they would do something like that becuase the druid had enough magic casts anyways and as we all know druids can only cast summons while shapeshifted so i doubt they would make this combo

kenorwoks

08-06-2008, 02:31 PM

no problem..seems like they are looking forward to an expansion..anyone know right off the top of your head when LoD was added to diablo II?.. maybe give us an idea of when they might add an expansion to this one

(the no problem was to N V)

N V

08-06-2008, 03:00 PM

Indeed it seems like they are looking forward to an expansion. I could see them adding 3 new chars, then bring back... idk 2-4 chars from LoD in an expansion as well as new content storywise.

Omnicide

08-06-2008, 09:04 PM

too bad, hellfire was considered the OFFICIAL expansion for diablo 1, and although a different company was involved primarily, blizzard was involved too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diablo:_Hellfire

http://www.planetdiablo.com/hellfire/OMG ARE YOU SERIOUS?! I DIDN'T KNOW THAT!

Seriously...Hellfire was ****. I ignore its existence.

If you really want to do THAT much for an ego point, be my guest.

I based my info off of Diablo 1. Not some piss poor expansion from another company.

smalltobacco

08-06-2008, 09:33 PM

OMG ARE YOU SERIOUS?! I DIDN'T KNOW THAT!

Seriously...Hellfire was ****. I ignore its existence.

If you really want to do THAT much for an ego point, be my guest.

I based my info off of Diablo 1. Not some piss poor expansion from another company.

why are you so damn paranoid into thinking i'm out to get you? one little remark and you curl up into a ball, getting defensive.

Omnicide

08-06-2008, 09:35 PM

smalltobacco

08-06-2008, 09:39 PM

Well for me making one little remark regarding D1 you sure are putting a lot of effort against it.

See? It goes both ways. Why do you care so much, too?

Bard/Barbarian were just rehashes of the warrior anyway.

I like your little ad hominem response though.

no, i'm not putting effort against it, just showing that there are two sides

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hominem :D

Omnicide

08-06-2008, 09:42 PM

no, i'm not putting effort against it, just showing that there are two sidesTwo sides to what? The possibility of a warrior being a barbarian? That's what I was stating. What's the other side? He isn't?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hominem :DDictionary.com sucks *** when it comes to Latin. Nice try.

Ad hominem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem)

This just proves my point with you trying to get an ego point in. O_o;

smalltobacco

08-06-2008, 09:44 PM

Two sides to what? The possibility of a warrior being a barbarian? That's what I was stating. What's the other side? He isn't?

Dictionary.com sucks *** when it comes to Latin. Nice try.

Ad hominem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem)

This just proves my point with you trying to get an ego point in. O_o;

two sides to every story. haven't you heard the expression?

nice ad hominem, as well. :p

Omnicide

08-06-2008, 09:46 PM

smalltobacco

08-06-2008, 09:54 PM

That applies to stories in which there are two people involved. You totally used the context of that phrase wrong. O_o

It's not ad hominem if 1) it's right and 2) you're doing it. You got big...deal with it.

Found it on dictionary.com by the way: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ad%20hominem

no matie, it can be used out of literal context. well, at least where i grew up...

yep, it's an "ad hominem". trying to help point out that hellfire actually had a barbarian, then you got defensive. i think we can agree to disagree?

theOG22093

08-06-2008, 10:01 PM

no matie, it can be used out of literal context. well, at least where i grew up...

yep, it's an "ad hominem". trying to help point out that hellfire actually had a barbarian, then you got defensive. i think we can agree to disagree?

I think you can agree to gtfo of the thread with BS?
Every thread made gets flamed with mindless arguments.

smalltobacco

08-06-2008, 10:03 PM

I think you can agree to gtfo of the thread with BS?
Every thread made gets flamed with mindless arguments.

what bull****? i merely pointed out to not forget about hellfire, and i guess he didn't like the manner i did it or something, and now we're discussing. i don't think we're flaming or arguing, just discussing.

Omnicide

08-06-2008, 10:03 PM

So, the fact that, in Diablo 1, a warrior ranges from paladin to barbarian has another side. What other side in Diablo 1 is there to this argument?

The only thing I saw was you throwing out the Hellfire barb to prove a point. I told you I was basing it on D1...and you keep on continuing. That's where my claims of you trying to be big are coming from. I have sound reason for my accusations.

When you sit there and start your very first response to me with "WRONG!"...that's not how to have a friendly debate over a topic.

smalltobacco

08-06-2008, 10:06 PM

So, the fact that, in Diablo 1, a warrior ranges from paladin to barbarian has another side. What other side in Diablo 1 is there to this argument?

hellfire.

The only thing I saw was you throwing out the Hellfire barb to prove a point. I told you I was basing it on D1...and you keep on continuing. That's where my claims of you trying to be big are coming from. I have sound reason for my accusations.

no, i continued because many people don't know about hellfire as is. just informing. sorry if i sounded rude?

When you sit there and start your very first response to me with "WRONG!"...that's not how to have a friendly debate over a topic.

eh, it's just the way i do things.

Omnicide

08-06-2008, 10:10 PM

hellfire.Is an expansion. Diablo: Hellfire. It is different from Diablo 1.

no, i continued because many people don't know about hellfire as is. just informing. sorry if i sounded rude?I told you I wasn't talking about Hellfire...and you continued further. ._.

eh, it's just the way i do things. didn't mean to offend.Definite way to get someone to think otherwise.

smalltobacco

08-06-2008, 10:20 PM

why should i apologize to someone as "egotistical" as i am?

EvilNec

08-06-2008, 10:26 PM

heres 3 that would be cool additions to d3... a thief class, some kind of beastmaster, and maybe a Pirate class? anythings possible i guess

kenorwoks

08-07-2008, 03:07 AM

Indeed it seems like they are looking forward to an expansion. I could see them adding 3 new chars, then bring back... idk 2-4 chars from LoD in an expansion as well as new content storywise.

deffinately..let players have a whole new expirience with new chars and new content and all that stuff and then bring back some old chars later maybe with some more new content..thats a pretty good idea

pingu

08-07-2008, 07:59 AM

why should i apologize to someone as "egotistical" as i am?

are the kids done fighting?

deffinately..let players have a whole new expirience with new chars and new content and all that stuff and then bring back some old chars later maybe with some more new content..thats a pretty good idea

why does everyone actually want the old classes back? It's a new game, so it has new classes. I'm sure everyone will find a preferred class in D3 as well (apart from some ppl that are still crying in a corner because there might not be a paladin). If they take old classes back, perhaps with a few new skills, it's D2 in a 3D-coat and you will already have guides for those classes. New classes = no guides to rely on (yet), no lists of the stats skills have on different lvls, ...., which means: a whole new world to explore, new builds to experiment with,... ("but we lost the pally:(" ....SO WHAT?)

Anyhow, there will be a mindless brute, a magic user with low health and a ranged fighter anyhow, every RPG needs those... Fireball and lightning were in D1 and D2, so it's quite likely that the D3 magic-user will have those as well...

Omnicide

08-07-2008, 01:34 PM

why should i apologize to someone as "egotistical" as i am?Awwww....the good old edit post later. Cute. It's ok...I know you wouldn't mean that apology anyway.

are the kids done fighting?I thought so but then they had to play such a childish little tactic. xD

why does everyone actually want the old classes back? It's a new game, so it has new classes. I'm sure everyone will find a preferred class in D3 as well (apart from some ppl that are still crying in a corner because there might not be a paladin). If they take old classes back, perhaps with a few new skills, it's D2 in a 3D-coat and you will already have guides for those classes. New classes = no guides to rely on (yet), no lists of the stats skills have on different lvls, ...., which means: a whole new world to explore, new builds to experiment with,... ("but we lost the pally:(" ....SO WHAT?)Exactly my thoughts. A whole new set or parameters without any clue on what stats to use, what points to put into which skills, which gear to have. It's all new as far as we know. As I've said in many a D3 thread...I wouldn't mind if the pally was gone for good unless they seriously nerf its goddamn skills.

Anyhow, there will be a mindless brute, a magic user with low health and a ranged fighter anyhow, every RPG needs those... Fireball and lightning were in D1 and D2, so it's quite likely that the D3 magic-user will have those as well...Indeed...I would find it strange to not have the typical mage/archer in there. But on the other hand...it'd be pretty interesting to see the remaining characters made away from that concept.

theOG22093

08-07-2008, 01:50 PM

are the kids done fighting?

why does everyone actually want the old classes back? It's a new game, so it has new classes. I'm sure everyone will find a preferred class in D3 as well (apart from some ppl that are still crying in a corner because there might not be a paladin). If they take old classes back, perhaps with a few new skills, it's D2 in a 3D-coat and you will already have guides for those classes. New classes = no guides to rely on (yet), no lists of the stats skills have on different lvls, ...., which means: a whole new world to explore, new builds to experiment with,... ("but we lost the pally:(" ....SO WHAT?)

Anyhow, there will be a mindless brute, a magic user with low health and a ranged fighter anyhow, every RPG needs those... Fireball and lightning were in D1 and D2, so it's quite likely that the D3 magic-user will have those as well...

I was one of the many for another d2 expansion, but I would prefer a fresh start. I just hope they bring back the assassin, no experience in this game has come close to what that class has brought to me yet.

kenorwoks

08-07-2008, 04:09 PM

are the kids done fighting?

why does everyone actually want the old classes back? It's a new game, so it has new classes. I'm sure everyone will find a preferred class in D3 as well (apart from some ppl that are still crying in a corner because there might not be a paladin). If they take old classes back, perhaps with a few new skills, it's D2 in a 3D-coat and you will already have guides for those classes. New classes = no guides to rely on (yet), no lists of the stats skills have on different lvls, ...., which means: a whole new world to explore, new builds to experiment with,... ("but we lost the pally:(" ....SO WHAT?)

Anyhow, there will be a mindless brute, a magic user with low health and a ranged fighter anyhow, every RPG needs those... Fireball and lightning were in D1 and D2, so it's quite likely that the D3 magic-user will have those as well...

i don't think you entirely took what i said the right way, but i see what youre saying and that is the way i, and everyone else should be looking at d3 I was just saying that it would be exciting to play some familiar classes in some new content(not necessary the paladin :p) but I would be just as excited to see some new classes, perhaps looking forward even more to seeing some more new classes in an expansion after what you said..as long as there is a shape shifter :D

smalltobacco

08-07-2008, 06:41 PM

Awwww....the good old edit post later. Cute. It's ok...I know you wouldn't mean that apology anyway.
sorry you had to think that was a cheap shot. it wasn't my fault the edit wouldn't show up as new, how should i have known? editing something old and replacing it can be considered new.

I thought so but then they had to play such a childish little tactic. xD

why are you referring to me as multiple people? LOL.

see, i was able to apologize to you after being "harsh" but you weren't able to return the favor, which is why i edited.

It's been 20 years since Baal was killed.

Life tends to flourish over 20 years.

Get the **** over it.

Sounds like more whining.

It's about the people who think they know all about how Diablo should look like and have their heads too far up their asses with what the **** has tiny similarities with WoW.

why should i say sorry to someone who's actually gone after me first?
recognize this? so, why are you allowed to attack me, but HEAVENS FORBID i retaliate to defend myself. you're smart, you figured out that "starting rude" is not how i work things. this is where you put me, in a situation where i feel that i have to attack you before being attacked by you. well, it worked, so i'm done COMPLETELY-UNLESS you want to take this further.

theOG22093

08-07-2008, 06:47 PM

sorry you had to think that was a cheap shot. it wasn't my fault the edit wouldn't show up as new, how should i have known? editing something old and replacing it can be considered new.

why are you referring to me as multiple people? LOL.

see, i was able to apologize to you after being "harsh" but you weren't able to return the favor, which is why i edited.

why should i say sorry to someone who's actually gone after me first?
recognize this? so, why are you allowed to attack me, but HEAVENS FORBID i retaliate to defend myself. you're smart, you figured out that "starting rude" is not how i work things. this is where you put me, in a situation where i feel that i have to attack you before being attacked by you. well, it worked, so i'm done COMPLETELY-UNLESS you want to take this further.

Ok guys this isn't Judge Judy, stay on topic.

Omnicide

08-07-2008, 07:39 PM

sorry you had to think that was a cheap shot. it wasn't my fault the edit wouldn't show up as new, how should i have known? editing something old and replacing it can be considered new.You made a huge paragraph explaining yourself...then the next day I see you get rid of it all for one statement that takes a shot at me. Tell me that's not childish.

why are you referring to me as multiple people? LOL.When you are unsure of someone's gender you can either go straight to masculine form or go with "they" to cover the bases. Try again.

see, i was able to apologize to you after being "harsh" but you weren't able to return the favor, which is why i edited.It obviously wasn't an apology worth recognizing if you take it back so easily. I tend to peg false actions pretty well. Bull's eye.

why should i say sorry to someone who's actually gone after me first?When did I ask for an apology? Can you point this out? This whole apology business seems to be a recurring theme with you.

recognize this? so, why are you allowed to attack me, but HEAVENS FORBID i retaliate to defend myself.So the way you "defend yourself" is to not respond to my post that initially targeted you, just wait for one where you can try to make the person feel stupid?

you're smart, you figured out that "starting rude" is not how i work things. this is where you put me, in a situation where i feel that i have to attack you before being attacked by you.I put you in a situation when I stated that the Warrior from D1 could be related to the barbarian? Tell me...where were you compelled to "attack before being attacked" from me posting that?

well, it worked, so i'm done COMPLETELY-UNLESS you want to take this further.How did it work? You didn't cease any attack at all...in fact...you brought it all upon yourself over some stupid little vendetta you have. O_o

CONGRATS!

To explain my quotes that you tried to use against me.

The most common misconception people that are against D3's current art direction is they think those are the ENDGAME looks. No matter how much I mention it's from EARLY IN THE GAME...they constantly refuse to listen to such info. All they understand is "HELL BURNZ" and "HELL MAYKZ THNGZ DY". They seem to forget that Diablo 3 takes place after twenty years. It takes less than a year for plants to grow back from the landscape being destroyed. The destruction would have to be everlasting to KEEP that burning death look everyone wants.

People that refuse to listen to that logic and continue to ***** about the art direction are, in fact, whiners.

theOG22093

08-07-2008, 08:29 PM

Ya you guys are turning a forum into a strategic debate, on any subject...

Omnicide

08-07-2008, 08:40 PM

Josh, your constant commentary over our argument is off topic, too.

Stop playing saint...it doesn't fit you well.

theOG22093

08-07-2008, 08:44 PM

Josh, your constant commentary over our argument is off topic, too.

Stop playing saint...it doesn't fit you well.

meh I'm done with these forums.
Might post in the callout/sin sections, but thats it. Peace all.

Omnicide

08-07-2008, 08:47 PM

That's nice.

Vile

08-07-2008, 08:56 PM

meh I'm done with these forums.
Might post in the callout/sin sections, but thats it. Peace all.

lolkbai

smalltobacco

08-07-2008, 10:53 PM

You made a huge paragraph explaining yourself...then the next day I see you get rid of it all for one statement that takes a shot at me. Tell me that's not childish.
i don't have to, because i already EXPLAINED i didn't think that would happen. or should i have made a new post saying "omnicide, look back to page 5 cause i edited!"

When you are unsure of someone's gender you can either go straight to masculine form or go with "they" to cover the bases. Try again.
i thought it was obvious that i was just messing with you there? next time i'll "go with the internet" and do something like /endjoke or /endsarcasm

It obviously wasn't an apology worth recognizing if you take it back so easily. I tend to peg false actions pretty well. Bull's eye.
of course i took it back easy, you didn't do your part of the job that i felt you should do.

When did I ask for an apology? Can you point this out? This whole apology business seems to be a recurring theme with you.
read again. "why should i say sorry to someone who's actually gone after me first?"

So the way you "defend yourself" is to not respond to my post that initially targeted you, just wait for one where you can try to make the person feel stupid?
no. i had already retaliated at the source. here, i was getting you before you could get me over something.

I put you in a situation when I stated that the Warrior from D1 could be related to the barbarian? Tell me...where were you compelled to "attack before being attacked" from me posting that?
you would have found something.

How did it work? You didn't cease any attack at all...in fact...you brought it all upon yourself over some stupid little vendetta you have. O_o
you would have found something.

CONGRATS!

To explain my quotes that you tried to use against me.
no, these are direct quotes of what you used against ME. look back.

The most common misconception people that are against D3's current art direction is they think those are the ENDGAME looks. No matter how much I mention it's from EARLY IN THE GAME...they constantly refuse to listen to such info. All they understand is "HELL BURNZ" and "HELL MAYKZ THNGZ DY". They seem to forget that Diablo 3 takes place after twenty years. It takes less than a year for plants to grow back from the landscape being destroyed. The destruction would have to be everlasting to KEEP that burning death look everyone wants.

People that refuse to listen to that logic and continue to ***** about the art direction are, in fact, whiners.

what you seem to be confused with is that there's a difference between preference and demand. the "whiners" are the people who pretty much DEMAND that diablo 3 looks dark, and there are people like me, who PREFER (but accept OTHERWISE) that diablo 3 keeps the dark look. you keep confusing me with what i'm calling the "demanders" even though this is the third time, i believe, that i've explained that i'm not one. just because my signature holds my preference does not mean that i loathe diablo 3 for taking a different direction.

Omnicide

08-07-2008, 11:11 PM

I was too busy laughing at this to read your post.

why are you so damn paranoid into thinking i'm out to get you? one little remark and you curl up into a ball, getting defensive.

Contradict yourself less, please.

All of your responses to my last post are about as paranoid as ****ing possible. Essentially, you had ZERO reason to come after me except for "fear that I'd attack you first". And that's just a piss poor reason in itself. I know my own quotes, but you try to use them to paint a picture of me that only you seem to see.

smalltobacco

08-08-2008, 05:26 AM

I was too busy laughing at this to read your post.

Contradict yourself less, please.

All of your responses to my last post are about as paranoid as ****ing possible. Essentially, you had ZERO reason to come after me except for "fear that I'd attack you first". And that's just a piss poor reason in itself. I know my own quotes, but you try to use them to paint a picture of me that only you seem to see.

you can believe whatever you want to believe, i'm not going to stop you.

on a side note...what happened to shinchib?

pingu

08-08-2008, 08:16 AM

Self-control lesson 1
Situation1: Someone makes a remark on what you said.
What not to do?
-Go into a frenzy and beat the **** out of your computer.
-Start making a fight out of it
-Fight in public: there is this thing called P.M. where you don't bother other ppl
-Go cry in a corner
-Commit suicide

What to do?
-Take a deep breath
-Curse at the person out loud (unless there are other ppl in your vicinity)
-Continue with the topic, while completely ignoring the other persons remark
-Send him a P.M. with as only content "idiot" and ignore him for the rest of your life

What if you can't handle remarks?
-Don't go to forums

On-Topic:
i don't think you entirely took what i said the right way, but i see what youre saying and that is the way i, and everyone else should be looking at d3 I was just saying that it would be exciting to play some familiar classes in some new content(not necessary the paladin :p) but I would be just as excited to see some new classes, perhaps looking forward even more to seeing some more new classes in an expansion after what you said..as long as there is a shape shifter :D
well, my post was not entirely meant as reaction on yours, but I just needed a quote of someone mentioning bringing the old classes back :)

Omnicide

08-08-2008, 03:00 PM

you can believe whatever you want to believe, i'm not going to stop you.I think it's quite clear that you can't, especially since you gave out all this info about past things I've said to you...proving you have something against me. Myself, on the other hand, I just comment on what I see. If you say something that I respond negatively to more often...that's on you. I don't really care about anyone that I criticize, for good or bad.

On Topic: I highly doubt they'll have the other classes disappear COMPLETELY in D3. I mean...there has to be at least NPC's of them to help the story along. I mean those races hold valuable information about what went on after D2.

Paladins need to stay NPC. Maybe "The Light" will see how much pallies have abused their hammers and smite...and made those attacks a little more mortal. Dx

Eumache

08-08-2008, 11:31 PM

I probably shouldn't give any commentary over the argument between Omnicide and smalltobacco, but it was so entertaining that I have to! I know it's none of my business, but.. it's all out here in the public. Anyone can read it. I read it. And for anyone paying attention to the entire conversation I think it was pretty clear that smalltobacco was attacked first by Omnicide (and I don't think Omnicide ever denied that). What's my point? Nothing really. It just seemed as if smalltobacco was getting the most crap when he really didn't deserve it, in my opinion. That's not a diss to Omnicide but merely an observation. Omnicide happens to be my favorite poster in the short time I've been here (because I share most of his views on Diablo 3). I just don't think smalltobacco deserves as much lip as he's getting. He seems to have good intentions.

On topic: I say the three remaining characters will be a Mage, a Knight, and I'm I'm not sure about the third one. :o Maybe a Savage played by Grace Jones.

Omnicide

08-09-2008, 12:23 AM

I might have criticized his statements in other threads, but I never attacked him in person. That's where he got all butthurt bringing it into this thread over me stating this simple statement:

Well...in the story they say the warriors in D1 range from paladins of zakarum and the barbarians of the north. So, in a way, the warrior COULD be the barbarian.

WRONG. same sprite, MUCH different playability. http://www.ladyofthecake.com/diablo/bbarian.htm
http://www.ladyofthecake.com/diablo/charactr.htm#clinksHe is right on this end, but I answered back with my next post:

I'm not talking about Hellfire.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diablo_(video_game)
"Warrior: The warrior is a powerful melee fighter, master of weapons of war and capable of enduring more damage than any of the other classes. This character also gains a slight increase in the rate of strike with a melee weapon. The background of the character states that they range from barbarians from the northern highlands to noble paladins."Notice how I said nothing against him? I wasn't derogatory towards him in any way.

too bad, hellfire was considered the OFFICIAL expansion for diablo 1, and although a different company was involved primarily, blizzard was involved too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diablo:_Hellfire

http://www.planetdiablo.com/hellfire/This is where I took the gloves off. After being told SPECIFICALLY that I wasn't talking about Hellfire...he drives it in further, which was COMPLETELY unnecessary. His only reason for doing said things is this:

this is where you put me, in a situation where i feel that i have to attack you before being attacked by you.

So...where did I attack him first? In another thread that I didn't respond to after a long while? So he comes into this one after I make a comment and feels he has to "attack before being attacked"?

Talk about a ****ing grudge. I should just kiss everyone's *** in case they attack me in PM's next?

Raigntk

08-09-2008, 12:27 AM

I might have criticized his statements in other threads, but I never attacked him in person. That's where he got all butthurt bringing it into this thread over me stating this simple statement:

He is right on this end, but I answered back with my next post:

Notice how I said nothing against him? I wasn't derogatory towards him in any way.

This is where I took the gloves off. After being told SPECIFICALLY that I wasn't talking about Hellfire...he drives it in further, which was COMPLETELY unnecessary. His only reason for doing said things is this:

So...where did I attack him first? In another thread that I didn't respond to after a long while? So he comes into this one after I make a comment and feels he has to "attack before being attacked"?

Talk about a ****ing grudge. I should just kiss everyone's *** in case they attack me in PM's next?

Nah. I say you should just take the lazy way out or just start anew and just keep on keeping on :)

Omnicide

08-09-2008, 12:29 AM

I am being lazy though.

Raigntk

08-09-2008, 12:34 AM

I am being lazy though.

thats good to here :D

smalltobacco

08-09-2008, 02:24 AM

I might have criticized his statements in other threads, but I never attacked him in person. That's where he got all butthurt bringing it into this thread over me stating
i have a reason to be "butthurt" since you spanked my bare *** multiple times.

So...where did I attack him first? In another thread that I didn't respond to after a long while? So he comes into this one after I make a comment and feels he has to "attack before being attacked"?

i already posted quotes of you attacking me, that yes, you didn't respond to in a while

Talk about a ****ing grudge. I should just kiss everyone's *** in case they attack me in PM's next?

you go after me when i hadn't done anything and you expect a non-grudge?

Omnicide

08-09-2008, 03:00 AM

i have a reason to be "butthurt" since you spanked my bare *** multiple times.Cry more.

i already posted quotes of you attacking me, that yes, you didn't respond to in a whileThe difference is I don't attack people, I attack groups. The way of thinking that you portray. Anyway, so after a bit of silence you felt like attacking unprovoked in here, yes or no? Business in other threads has nothing to do with what goes on here.

you go after me when i hadn't done anything and you expect a non-grudge?Cry about it, part two.

Thadius Moor

08-09-2008, 04:09 AM

Even if there is no Necro, I'll still play since my second favorite class has always been the Barbarian...

There is just something special about "wading through your enemies, hacking, slashing, and leaving a path of total destruction..." that only the Barbarian can do...

A true 1-man army...

The other classes are also great and can kill equally as well, but the Barbarian is just brutal comparatively speaking, lolz...

:D

smalltobacco

08-09-2008, 03:24 PM

Cry more.

The difference is I don't attack people, I attack groups. The way of thinking that you portray. Anyway, so after a bit of silence you felt like attacking unprovoked in here, yes or no? Business in other threads has nothing to do with what goes on here.

Cry about it, part two.

this statement is complete bull****, let me give you an insight

but from what i understand with the story, right now, hell is winning on earth, turning everything...basically evil.
It's been 20 years since Baal was killed.

Life tends to flourish over 20 years.

Get the **** over it.

tristram was a dark place BEFORE the evil was unleashed.

on another note, i ALREADY established that i didn't give a damn about the dark or the light, was it that hard to understand? i was explaining something which in turn was wrong.
Sounds like more whining.
now i DARE you to tell me that this is not a DIRECTED attack.
__________________________________________________ _________________________
"i'm childish, it shows in my posts."
I couldn't agree more.

Note how you started this one.

I didn't say a goddamn thing about you. Stop taking what I say so ****ing personal.

nice of you to attempt and edit this section out. either way, this shows that we BOTH are paranoid, period. you can make any "piss poor excuse" that you want but it clearly shows paranoia because my post was OBVIOUSLY not at you since you said NOTHING about me.

"im childish, it shows in my posts." nice hypocrisy, considering that you continued to attack everyone who was slightly against diablo 3 artwork. it's called preference, and it helps make the world go around and be more interesting. just because someone wishes something that you disagree with doesn't mean you need to get "butthurt".

by the by, why don't you come up with something actually useful besides "cry more."

Omnicide

08-09-2008, 07:45 PM

this statement is complete bull****, let me give you an insight

now i DARE you to tell me that this is not a DIRECTED attack.Well...if you say so.

The most common misconception people that are against D3's current art direction is they think those are the ENDGAME looks. No matter how much I mention it's from EARLY IN THE GAME...they constantly refuse to listen to such info. All they understand is "HELL BURNZ" and "HELL MAYKZ THNGZ DY". They seem to forget that Diablo 3 takes place after twenty years. It takes less than a year for plants to grow back from the landscape being destroyed. The destruction would have to be everlasting to KEEP that burning death look everyone wants.

People that refuse to listen to that logic and continue to ***** about the art direction are, in fact, whiners.Hi there.

nice of you to attempt and edit this section out. either way, this shows that we BOTH are paranoid, period. you can make any "piss poor excuse" that you want but it clearly shows paranoia because my post was OBVIOUSLY not at you since you said NOTHING about me.See that's your misconception of this. When I want to say something about SOMEONE I make it VERY well known that I'm talking about them. Most of my initial quotes you took offense too were at your ideas...not at you. Notice how I keep quoting you? NOW I'm talking to you. It kind of plays that nice role of me getting across who I'm talking to, unlike the other side of this argument.

"im childish, it shows in my posts." nice hypocrisy, considering that you continued to attack everyone who was slightly against diablo 3 artwork. it's called preference, and it helps make the world go around and be more interesting. just because someone wishes something that you disagree with doesn't mean you need to get "butthurt".So you can make your preferences, but I can't talk about my preferences while calling others out on whining about something they actually have zero power over, which is very true since the developers did NOT go with the dissenters. If anything, you can't take what I have to say...as LARGELY proven by this whole fiasco.

by the by, why don't you come up with something actually useful besides "cry more."I recommend you do one of these two things:

don't like my posts? don't read them (http://www.youareanidiot.org/)

Or

Cry more.

Just for you, babe.

kenorwoks

08-09-2008, 08:21 PM

ok ok..to both of you(small and omni) take this to a PM or something..this is not the place for your arguing this is the place to discuss what we think the next 3 characterss will be

Omnicide

08-09-2008, 09:58 PM

I have some guesses:

Whiner (uses all the useless warcry abilities)
Crier (Warcrys with water elemental damage)
Grudge holder (takes a small attack from an enemy, then later attacks before the enemy even cares he's in the area)

O:

To be honest, I'm all for the PM idea.

Vile

08-09-2008, 10:12 PM

smalltobacco

08-09-2008, 10:36 PM

Well...if you say so.

See that's your misconception of this. When I want to say something about SOMEONE I make it VERY well known that I'm talking about them. Most of my initial quotes you took offense too were at your ideas...not at you. Notice how I keep quoting you? NOW I'm talking to you. It kind of plays that nice role of me getting across who I'm talking to, unlike the other side of this argument.

you WERE talking to me, whether you want to use this "piss poor excuse" or not.

So you can make your preferences, but I can't talk about my preferences while calling others out on whining about something they actually have zero power over, which is very true since the developers did NOT go with the dissenters. If anything, you can't take what I have to say...as LARGELY proven by this whole fiasco.

no, i'm completely open to preferences. just not when someone gets a period because people have different opinions. once again, there's a difference between the whiners and the debaters. AT LEAST MAKE IT CLEAR THAT YOU AREN'T ATTACKING THE DEBATERS?

I recommend you do one of these two things:

Or

Just for you, babe.

very nice.

I have some guesses:

Whiner (uses all the useless warcry abilities)
Crier (Warcrys with water elemental damage)
Grudge holder (takes a small attack from an enemy, then later attacks before the enemy even cares he's in the area)

O:

To be honest, I'm all for the PM idea.
i'm childish, it shows in my posts.
Contradict yourself less, please.

here's some of your own advice for you.

kenor, your suggestion is really good, but i think it's too late now. there's already what? 4 pages of arguing?

Omnicide

08-09-2008, 10:50 PM

smalltobacco
This message is hidden because smalltobacco is on your ignore list.

I'm sorry, your responses are worth this much **** to me anymore.

Continue to ***** about what I say. I will not see it. =D

Move the **** on with it kid.

LOLVOUCH. xD

smalltobacco

08-10-2008, 02:18 AM

I'm sorry, your responses are worth this much **** to me anymore.

Continue to ***** about what I say. I will not see it. =D

Move the **** on with it kid.

VOUCH. xD

wow, so this is what it's come to. pointless and mindless assumptions? useless assumptions show loss of words.please don't stoop to that level, we were actually having a debate without ridiculous internet slang and assumptions involved. i thought you were better than that. by the way, i know i'm not really on ignore, you're as curious to see what i have to say as am i to what you say.

Omnicide

08-10-2008, 02:44 AM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/sirosis85/Ignored.png

*yawn*

Archbishop_Lazarus

08-10-2008, 02:59 AM

Well I'd guess Necros will be brought back if they plan on bringing back "a lot of characters" as he said. Since Blizzard is working with Knaak and his novels, I just can't see how they will be left out, since Necromancers and the cult of Trag'Oul is the core of the stories.

So the necromancer actually plays a large part in the books? I've never read them-are they worth reading?

Also, WOW, what a big mess...lol.

I think, like most people, a sorceror of some-sort and a rogue/amazon will appear, although (of course!) different. Barbarian has already appeared and the warrior in Diablo 1, as Omnicide said, could range from barbarians. The sorceror type has already been in both games too, and the amazon is very similar to the rogue.

Edit: Anyone else as psyched as I am for Diablo III? I can't wait to see how the story continues.

Omnicide

08-10-2008, 03:09 AM

Archbishop_Lazarus

08-10-2008, 03:13 AM

Yeah...apparently the necromancers are very closely tuned in to the dealings of hell and such...as in they have lots of knowledge over it. Judging on what I've heard from people that did read the books.

I'm also wondering how they plan on bringing back big D....again.

That's odd, considering the necromancers are supposed to be for "balance." Possible flaw? I did hear that one of the books which was accurate to the game was based from the necromancer's perspective.

Yeah, big D ALWAYS finds a way to return. Has Blizzard mentioned anything about this games standpoint? Like how God of War 3 is supposed to be the last in the series.

Omnicide

08-10-2008, 09:40 PM

Archbishop_Lazarus

08-10-2008, 10:24 PM

Necromancers do value balance, that's why they know so much about the darker sides of magic and such, to ensure that balance. That's why they fight for the light and get misunderstood for their methods.

Also I've seen or heard nothing about D3 ending the series.

Ohh that's why they're all just shunned, I never knew that.

Good, although I'm sure most of us want the series to continue, it does have to end at some point. Hopefully not in 3, maybe 4. 4 tends to be on the verge of too much anyway, well, at least for some things.

Omnicide

08-10-2008, 10:31 PM

Archbishop_Lazarus

08-10-2008, 10:45 PM

Necromancers are misunderstood much like "goths" are today.

People are all "zomg dey luv deth lolololol".

They don't love death...they love the balance of life and death...a nearly never-ending circle.

That's quite a true analogy, since gothics are ridiculed when most don't know even half of their story.

I do wonder if a necromancer-type will be in D3, since they seem to be important with balance and stuff...

kenorwoks

08-10-2008, 11:01 PM

Edit: Anyone else as psyched as I am for Diablo III? I can't wait to see how the story continues.

you know it man!

Omnicide

08-10-2008, 11:05 PM

Well...culturally, the witch doctors are the same as necromancers. They deal with death and life, just in a different way.

Archbishop_Lazarus

08-11-2008, 05:23 AM

Well...culturally, the witch doctors are the same as necromancers. They deal with death and life, just in a different way.

Although I do believe that it is most likely that the witch doctor has somewhat "replaced" the necromancer, I still wonder if there is another class that will be more..."death" oriented, with revives and skeletons. I doubt it, the witchdoctor already can summon a wall of zombies and plague his victims, but there's always a possibility. Either way, the necromancer was an excellent character for Diablo 2, and I don't think I want to see him again except as an NPC. Time for some new stuff, ya know?

Omnicide

08-11-2008, 05:32 AM

Exactly. Plus it's just as developers have said...the necromancer was a victim of its own success. Hard to improve on something that worked so well.

N V

08-11-2008, 06:15 AM

So the necromancer actually plays a large part in the books? I've never read them-are they worth reading?

To say they play a large part is a vast understatement. The necromancer is in 5 of the 7 books, and in 4 of them he is the main character.

All of the books are worth reading, but if you like necromancers and want to know more about them and their cult, you should read The Kingdom of Shadow, Moon of The Spiders and the Sin Wars trilogy. The Sin Wars books are also really good to get some background story about Sanctuary, how it was made, the fight betwen angels and demons, and ofc to know more about necromancers. All 7 books are worth reading though ;)

Edit: Anyone else as psyched as I am for Diablo III? I can't wait to see how the story continues.

I try to wait with that until closer to the release. Like when we get a release date :rolleyes:

Exactly. Plus it's just as developers have said...the necromancer was a victim of its own success. Hard to improve on something that worked so well.

Indeed he is, though the devs also said they really like the necro and still believe there is room for him. So there is always hope for all necro lovers out there =]

pingu

08-11-2008, 07:30 AM

Indeed he is, though the devs also said they really like the necro and still believe there is room for him. So there is always hope for all necro lovers out there =]

necromancer hirelings?

N V

08-11-2008, 11:54 AM

A hireling necro wouldn't fit them at all. Either playable class, NPC or perhaps even see some of them as enemies (they've been twisted by evil somehow). I would be really dissappointed if they came back as hirelings.

Archbishop_Lazarus

08-11-2008, 09:24 PM

To say they play a large part is a vast understatement. The necromancer is in 5 of the 7 books, and in 4 of them he is the main character.

HOLY CRAP, that's crazy. And you said that the books are considered official by Blizzard as well?!

All of the books are worth reading, but if you like necromancers and want to know more about them and their cult, you should read The Kingdom of Shadow, Moon of The Spiders and the Sin Wars trilogy. The Sin Wars books are also really good to get some background story about Sanctuary, how it was made, the fight betwen angels and demons, and ofc to know more about necromancers. All 7 books are worth reading though ;)

I read something about The Kingdom of Shadow and how it's most related to the game, if that's wrong what book is it? I do need to check those books out though, since the necromancer is my favorite character.

Indeed he is, though the devs also said they really like the necro and still believe there is room for him. So there is always hope for all necro lovers out there =]

I'm sure he'll definitely come back as an NPC to interact, maybe to even fight. I am (wrongfully?) nervous though, he was so cool in Diablo 2 and I don't want him to be cheesy or ridiculous in Diablo 3.

And Pingu, the necromancer as a hireling? EW, that would be so weird.

Daventry

08-12-2008, 05:13 AM

Screw it,

Tell Blizzard we don't even want the game.

Vile

08-12-2008, 05:20 AM

Screw it,

Tell Blizzard we don't even want the game.

nou

Omnicide

08-12-2008, 05:26 AM

Screw it,

Tell Blizzard we don't even want the game.You (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS7nqwGt4-I)

N V

08-12-2008, 06:00 AM

HOLY CRAP, that's crazy. And you said that the books are considered official by Blizzard as well?!

Well I don't think it's like an official release from Blizzard, but someone working for Blizzard was involved with the making of the books, or at least the trilogy (IIC that is). Knaak also said something along the lines of "I'm not writing for a dead series, only a series with dead in". That was said even before the announcement of D3 which hinted that the game was in making.

Official or not, they are all worth reading imo. ;)

I read something about The Kingdom of Shadow and how it's most related to the game, if that's wrong what book is it? I do need to check those books out though, since the necromancer is my favorite character.

I would say the trilogy (Sin Wars) is most related, since the story takes place some 3000 years or so before the events in Tristram. It's been some time since I read the other books though, so it could be that some of the others come close, or are even more related to the game. But as I remember it, Sin Wars was the one most related (and imo most fun books).

I'm sure he'll definitely come back as an NPC to interact, maybe to even fight. I am (wrongfully?) nervous though, he was so cool in Diablo 2 and I don't want him to be cheesy or ridiculous in Diablo 3.

I would want to see him as either a NPC or a playable char. Not someone you'd need to fight :eek:

pingu

08-12-2008, 07:32 AM

And Pingu, the necromancer as a hireling? EW, that would be so weird.

cursing mercs could be useful :p

N V

08-12-2008, 08:22 AM

Not if they are as stupid as in D2 :p

But still necs wouldn't fit well as a mercenary imo >_>

Archbishop_Lazarus

08-12-2008, 08:26 AM

Well I don't think it's like an official release from Blizzard, but someone working for Blizzard was involved with the making of the books, or at least the trilogy (IIC that is). Knaak also said something along the lines of "I'm not writing for a dead series, only a series with dead in". That was said even before the announcement of D3 which hinted that the game was in making.

Official or not, they are all worth reading imo. ;)

Looks like I needs to search teh interwebs, cause they're definitely not sold at my local bookstore

I would say the trilogy (Sin Wars) is most related, since the story takes place some 3000 years or so before the events in Tristram. It's been some time since I read the other books though, so it could be that some of the others come close, or are even more related to the game. But as I remember it, Sin Wars was the one most related (and imo most fun books).

Thanks for clearing that up

I would want to see him as either a NPC or a playable char. Not someone you'd need to fight :eek:

I prefer him to not fight as well, he would DOMINATE

Screw it,

Tell Blizzard we don't even want the game.

ynogame?

cursing mercs could be useful :p

They'd probably be the MOST useful mercenary ever made! It would just be so...awkward though, play as him one game, switch discs and all of a sudden the character you were just playing as is...a merc? :confused: