Private Pk Clan (No OT posts please)

[theOG22093]

Ok, I'm going to give this one last attempt.

1.Private GM PK.
***Note: All rules can be ignored if both players agree to it(IE: You can use more than one piece of sorb if BOTH players agree to it)
THESE RULES ONLY APPLY TO GUILD-ONLY GAMES. OUTSIDE OF THAT, YOU CAN DO WHATEVER THE HELL YOU WANT!
No Mods/Hack/3rd Party Progs
No NKing
No Buffing (Outside of CTA/Class Skills)
1 Piece Sorb at the max
No Doom/Merc Holy Freeze
No Jumping
No Town Cursing
No Town Guarding

If any of these rules are broken multiple times, you will get warns, and possible kicks.

There will be:
3Administrators (Co-Leader)
2Moderators (Second In-Commands)
XDuelers

Our channel will most likely end up being Op Obv-
Hopefully we can get some Baal Games/Ubers/ And LOTS of PPK games up.
As of right now I'm ISO good suggestions for a clan name.
I'll start it off with:
1.Clan Obv-
If you second this idea, say so. If you have one of your own, say so.
Please ONLY POST HERE IF:
You are SERIOUS about joining this.

NO OFF TOPIC POSTS!

By the way, this clan will be active in USWest NL. If you don't have a USWest NL account, PM me and I'll see what I can do.

[DarthRane]

I have us west but not non ladder, also how many people do you have so far cause i wana be playing with group of people not just 1 or 2.

[theOG22093]

I have us west but not non ladder, also how many people do you have so far cause i wana be playing with group of people not just 1 or 2.

It's safe to say I have atleast 5 people that would do this, ATLEAST.

Some people that I THINK would want in, but they'll have to confirm it here first:
Jordan (Oilerfan)
Bryant (2.0)
Omnicide
Ave (Faygo)
Joe (Vile)

[Omnicide]

Eh...as far as the clan name goes...it's not like we're going to be a terribly serious clan here. I mean when it comes down to it we're just a group of people looking to have some private GM duels without getting busted in on.

Of course I'm in on it as pubs are just...ugh.

Anyway...what's your stance on damage return skills like Thorns aura, Spirit of Barbs and IM?

[2.0]

Yeah, we should definitely establish what exactly "GM" is.

Considering it differs from person to person, of course there's the obvious never changing rules, like no nk, no pots, no shrines/wells, etc.

[Omnicide]

Indeed. Before the reset, Gunit and I had an idea to establish a definite "GM/BM" thread in the PvP section, buuuut...my old laptop died and I couldn't pull the file out.

[theOG22093]

Indeed. Before the reset, Gunit and I had an idea to establish a definite "GM/BM" thread in the PvP section, buuuut...my old laptop died and I couldn't pull the file out.

Now would be a good time to start on one. LMK I'll edit it in to first post.
We should make it really organised, with like class v class rules (IE chant buffing in Bvb).

[Vile]

I still vote for BM pub games as well. ^^

[2.0]

I still vote for BM pub games as well. ^^So do I.

But... then we lower ourselves down to the level of just about every other clan out there.

[Vile]

Its not like anyway knows... I mean... were not using tags.

And who cares? We're just in it for the private pk games anyway O_o.

[Oilerfan]

It's safe to say I have atleast 5 people that would do this, ATLEAST.

Some people that I THINK would want in, but they'll have to confirm it here first:
Jordan (Oilerfan)
Bryant (2.0)
Omnicide
Ave (Faygo)
Joe (Vile)

You really have NO CLUE who avery is lmao


Ya I'm in

[Vile]

LMAO I just noticed that.

hiya-warrior=Avery
Avery is Banned
Nosferatu=Faygo

Edit: Oh yeah add Steve to that list. (Kammet)

[Legendary Slasher]

Hey could i join? i've always wanted to PvP in b.net and get good.

Still would have to see if i got time, since im moving and all then college.

[Vile]

You guys got me banned :(.
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/5972/stealthbanbj0.png

[theOG22093]

Lawl.
I always get those 2 mixed up, shhhh.
And pubs Idc about, just stay GM in the ppk.

[Omnicide]

Now would be a good time to start on one. LMK I'll edit it in to first post.
We should make it really organized, with like class v class rules (IE chant buffing in Bvb).Eh, we'll see. I'm not as motivated on guide making like I used to be. But there will definitely have to be class vs class rules. The way I organized my first one was to have a system showing what was BM...and if it was overall BM, BM in just caster duels or BM in just melee duels. Evenso...it was a ton of things I had on the list.

[theOG22093]

Eh, we'll see. I'm not as motivated on guide making like I used to be. But there will definitely have to be class vs class rules. The way I organized my first one was to have a system showing what was BM...and if it was overall BM, BM in just caster duels or BM in just melee duels. Evenso...it was a ton of things I had on the list.

I think I get what you're saying:
Mana Potting-
Generally GM
ES Build- BM

Enchanting-
Barbs- BM
Zealers- BM
Chant Sorceress- GM

Something along those lines?

If so we can get this started tonight and I'll keep editing it as we come up with more.

[Omnicide]

Exactly, but not so much based on a specific build...it'd just get TOO damn complex, that's why I did my caster/melee/all bit. Sure you could put casters and have exceptions, like so:

Enchant-This skill raises the AR of your attacks and gives them some fire damage, to boot.
(melee)-Being Enchanted by anything BUT a piece of gear you plan on keeping on your character during the duel is BM, this includes being enchanted by another sorceress unless in team duels. (That last part may or may not stay...it just came to mind. Might not apply to team duels.)
(Casters)-An enchantress may enchant herself. May (or may not?) enchant other teammates, only in team duels. However this is a bit of a moot point as an enchantress is usually a form of melee/ranged physical character.
(All)-Prebuffing enchant is strictly BM unless that piece of equipment stays on you during dueling.

[theOG22093]

Exactly, but not so much based on a specific build...it'd just get TOO damn complex, that's why I did my caster/melee/all bit. Sure you could put casters and have exceptions, like so:

Enchant-This skill raises the AR of your attacks and gives them some fire damage, to boot.
(melee)-Being Enchanted by anything BUT a piece of gear you plan on keeping on your character during the duel is BM, this includes being enchanted by another sorceress unless in team duels. (That last part may or may not stay...it just came to mind. Might not apply to team duels.)
(Casters)-An enchantress may enchant herself. May (or may not?) enchant other teammates, only in team duels. However this is a bit of a moot point as an enchantress is usually a form of melee/ranged physical character.
(All)-Prebuffing enchant is strictly BM unless that piece of equipment stays on you during dueling.


The caster, melee, all theme is nice but we should throw in a Class-Native part also. Example:
Enchant
-Casters-
Generally doesn't matter as long as they aren't a Hybrid caster that is partially melee. Enchant will not effect spells.
-Melee-
Generally allways BM, unless provided by a part of your end-gear (after you chant you can't go back to stash), or if provided by a sorcy in tpk.
-Sorceress-
Since the skill Enchant is native to the sorceress class, enchant is not BM to sorceress melee builds, but you can NOT cast it on others unless it's accepted in tpk.

[Omnicide]

Eh...if a sorc is caster/melee enchant should be still GM. It'd be like telling a Mage pally not to use Conc because the people would have to stack vs Convic. Unless, of course, it's pure caster vs caster, then I can see where it'd be BM for that hybrid sorc. Otherwise...it doesn't make sense to keep them from chanting.

[theOG22093]

Eh...if a sorc is caster/melee enchant should be still GM. It'd be like telling a Mage pally not to use Conc because the people would have to stack vs Convic. Unless, of course, it's pure caster vs caster, then I can see where it'd be BM for that hybrid sorc. Otherwise...it doesn't make sense to keep them from chanting.

I said NOT bm omni lol.

[Omnicide]

-Casters-
Generally doesn't matter as long as they aren't a Hybrid caster that is partially melee. Enchant will not effect spells.As long as they aren't a hybrid caster/melee. Wouldn't that mean you're saying it's BM if you ARE a caster/melee sorc?

[2.0]

Lol, what if I was to make a melee sorc.

Would Enchant be BM? :O

[Omnicide]

That's kind of hard to say. Because isn't elemental damage BM in pure melee? ._.;

[theOG22093]

As long as they aren't a hybrid caster/melee. Wouldn't that mean you're saying it's BM if you ARE a caster/melee sorc?

No because below that I said it's not bm for Class-Native spells..

Lol, what if I was to make a melee sorc.

Would Enchant be BM? :O

No, because it's part of the build and native to the class. I would guess venom in melee v melee would be bm, but not on a hybrid sin because it's native to the class and part of the build.

[Omnicide]

See...that's where I have to disagree. A sin shouldn't be allowed to use Venom just because it's native and she uses it in melee. It's still using elemental damage in, essentially, an all physical duel.

[theOG22093]

See...that's where I have to disagree. A sin shouldn't be allowed to use Venom just because it's native and she uses it in melee. It's still using elemental damage in, essentially, an all physical duel.

I see not problem with it as long as it's the Sin using Venom, or the Sorc using chant. It's a skill that you can naturally put points into, and therefore have to waste points that could go somewhere else in order to get the benefits.

[2.0]

So using Bone prison on a character that has no teleport is ok because it's native to the necromancer? :P

[Legendary Slasher]

can i f321389cken join>?

[2.0]

can i f321389cken join>?
Do you have a character on West Nl? O_o

[theOG22093]

So using Bone prison on a character that has no teleport is ok because it's native to the necromancer? :P

If you look at it that way I can list a whole lot of skills with an instance they would be considered OP.. or BM whate ever you want to call it.

[2.0]

If you look at it that way I can list a whole lot of skills with an instance they would be considered OP.. or BM whate ever you want to call it.
In Melee vs Melee, elemental damage is BM... period. I was using your example of the venom being native to the sin, to justify using bone prison.... which is established almost unanimously across D2 as a BM skill.

Just because venom is native to sins, doesn't make it GM in a Melee vs Melee duel.

[theOG22093]

In Melee vs Melee, elemental damage is BM... period. I was using your example of the venom being native to the sin, to justify using bone prison.... which is established almost unanimously across D2 as a BM skill.

Just because venom is native to sins, doesn't make it GM in a Melee vs Melee duel.

Again just another opinion. I know I'm not gonna strip my sin of a good bonus to its whirlwind because someone thinks it's "bad mannered", exspecially if I invested the skill points to get those bonuses. It seems like anything stuff that makes one build useless, or another too strong is BM.

Ok we're gonna have to get past this if we want to make this list and all lol, because I would like a definite list. ;)

[Omnicide]

A WW sin isn't melee BECAUSE it relies heavily on Venom. Where are you not getting it?

Melee is physical damage only. No elemental damage...NO MATTER what the source is.

A WW sin vs another melee character would fall under the "all" section of duels.

[2.0]

Again just another opinion. I know I'm not gonna strip my sin of a good bonus to its whirlwind because someone thinks it's "bad mannered", exspecially if I invested the skill points to get those bonuses. It seems like anything stuff that makes one build useless, or another too strong is BM.

Ok we're gonna have to get past this if we want to make this list and all lol, because I would like a definite list. ;)
Not saying you can't use your sin. I'm just saying venom is BM in Melee Vs Melee. Lol.

And, If I made a Melee sorc, I couldn't use it for Melee vs Melee. I could use it vs Casters.

Melee is Phsyical vs Physical damage. No elemental damage is really allowed, I think the most that is allowed is possibly chilling armor from fort.

[theOG22093]

Again just another opinion. I know I'm not gonna strip my sin of a good bonus to its whirlwind because someone thinks it's "bad mannered", exspecially if I invested the skill points to get those bonuses. It seems like anything stuff that makes one build useless, or another too strong is BM.

Ok we're gonna have to get past this if we want to make this list and all lol, because I would like a definite list. ;)

I've come to a conclusion that nothing you have said or will say will change my mind about this opinion, so just move on. Aside from that, what else?

[Omnicide]

Ugh.

**** it then. If you can't even understand WHY using venom is BM in pure melee...I'm not going to bother with this ****.

[theOG22093]

Ugh.

**** it then. If you can't even understand WHY using venom is BM in pure melee...I'm not going to bother with this ****.

Same way I feel if you can't understand my opinion. Really not that important.

Anywho, what we have so far:
Chanting
Casters:
Won't matter if they are pure casters, chant doesn't benefit spells.

Melee:
BM in nearly all situations, ask if you can chant first.

Chant Sorc:
Can be either, ask for your opponents opinion.

[Omnicide]

It really is.

What makes elemental damage, something that is BM in melee only, GM?

[theOG22093]

It really is.

What makes elemental damage, something that is BM in melee only, GM?

I really don't feel like arguing with you any more about an opinion.
ISO: Opinions on the BM/GM list we're trying to make, we can all come to a conclusion eventually.

[Omnicide]

It's not an opinion. It's something that was established a LONG time ago.

I'm not going to take part in a BM/GM list where you try to list things different because it doesn't sit well with your sin. Have you ever DONE pure melee? Elemental damage kills it.

As far as I see it, you have no basis to defend elemental damage in pure melee.

To clarify something here: Zealer vs a Conc barb=pure melee.

WW sin using Venom vs WW barb=regular duel...it's not pure melee as the sin depends on poison.

[theOG22093]

It's not an opinion. It's something that was established a LONG time ago.

I'm not going to take part in a BM/GM list where you try to list things different because it doesn't sit well with your sin. Have you ever DONE pure melee? Elemental damage kills it.

As far as I see it, you have no basis to defend elemental damage in pure melee.

To clarify something here: Zealer vs a Conc barb=pure melee.

WW sin using Venom vs WW barb=regular duel...it's not pure melee as the sin depends on poison.

Where the **** did I say melee vs melee? Get the **** off my back man god.

[2.0]

We've been saying Melee vs Melee the whole god damn time Josh. And you've been saying it's GM.

[Omnicide]

See...that's where I have to disagree. A sin shouldn't be allowed to use Venom just because it's native and she uses it in melee. It's still using elemental damage in, essentially, an all physical duel.*cough*

[theOG22093]

No because below that I said it's not bm for Class-Native spells..



No, because it's part of the build and native to the class. I would guess venom in melee v melee would be bm, but not on a hybrid sin because it's native to the class and part of the build.

IE: Bvb using Venom off an item (arachnids or triggering venom from a grief before duel).......

I was saying that I would NOT consider using Venom to pump up my ww on my Sin BM, in any instance, and you kept arguing about something else.

[Omnicide]

That was the post before I clarified about pure melee.

See...that's where I have to disagree. A sin shouldn't be allowed to use Venom just because it's native and she uses it in melee. It's still using elemental damage in, essentially, an all physical duel.This is the post after the one you just posted.

I see not problem with it as long as it's the Sin using Venom, or the Sorc using chant. It's a skill that you can naturally put points into, and therefore have to waste points that could go somewhere else in order to get the benefits.This is what you put after.

Essentially, it's read as "I don't see a problem with it (using Venom or Enchant in melee) as long as the sin using Venom or sorc using Enchant." Do you see where the break in communication is?

Even in the post you mention...you don't say that the hybrid sin is in any other duel other than melee vs melee...as that was the last duel you were mentioning in that topic. "Venom would be BM in melee vs melee, but not on a hybrid sin because it's native to her."

All I'm saying is that the way you were talking, it was like Venom and Enchant are GM in melee...which they aren't. THAT'S what *I* was arguing about. So if we can agree that elemental damage is BM in melee...we're ****ing good.

[theOG22093]

That was the post before I clarified about pure melee.

This is the post after the one you just posted.

This is what you put after.

Essentially, it's read as "I don't see a problem with it (using Venom or Enchant in melee) as long as the sin using Venom or sorc using Enchant." Do you see where the break in communication is?

Even in the post you mention...you don't say that the hybrid sin is in any other duel other than melee vs melee...as that was the last duel you were mentioning in that topic.

I really don't understand what your getting at there, but I'll clear this up: (These are my personal opinions, no one will FORCE you to duel to these)

Venom SHOULD be allowed on an ASSASSIN, in any duel. Venom should NOT be allowed on ANY other class in melee vs melee ONLY.

Enchant SHOULD be allowed on a SORCERESS, in any duel, but only on the SORCERESS itself. Enchant should NOT be allowed on ANY other class in melee vs melee ONLY, and should NOT be allowed for a sorceress to cast chant on any other characters unless the opposition allows it.

Those are my personal opinion, you don't have to follow them. They DONT have to be incorperated into the list, but that is what I will duel by. If you don't agree with it, there's no point in arguing.

ISO more opinions on the bm/gm list.

[Omnicide]

Here's an opinion.

Venom/Enchant are BM in melee vs melee...no matter who uses it.

And it's like that everywhere else. THIS is why I don't want to bother with a discussion of BM to you...because you go by "I duel how I want" completely negating what's GM or BM. Why discuss if it's not going to ****ing do anything? Your vision of GM is seriously skewed so that it's advantageous to you.

[theOG22093]

Here's an opinion.

Venom/Enchant are BM in melee vs melee...no matter who uses it.

And it's like that everywhere else. THIS is why I don't want to bother with a discussion of BM to you...because you go by "I duel how I want" completely negating what's GM or BM. Why discuss if it's not going to ****ing do anything? Your vision of GM is seriously skewed so that it's advantageous to you.

Hybrid Sin isn't a pure melee build, so it wouldn't be bm to vs a pure melee build with hybrid sin with venom. You say my vision of GM is skewed so that I have an advantage, but it seems yours, or "everyone else's" vision of BM is skewed so that your build can even up the playing feild, or give you the advantage.

And you say there's no point in discuss this, when I've asked you to move on multiple times.

[Omnicide]

Jesus Christ...

Go talk to pure melee duelers...in all seriousness. Ask them about elemental damage in pure melee duels.

I'm done talking about GM with a dumbass that can't grasp the difference between elemental and physical damages.

**** the clan if it's going to have views like yours.

[2.0]

Say I made a kicksin, and I planned on using this Sin for Melee Vs Melee.... only.

Is venom ok then Josh?

[theOG22093]

Say I made a kicksin, and I planned on using this Sin for Melee Vs Melee.... only.

Is venom ok then Josh?

Sure why not? Don't say because people say that blah blah blah, answer why not.

Jesus Christ...

Go talk to pure melee duelers...in all seriousness. Ask them about elemental damage in pure melee duels.

I'm done talking about GM with a dumbass that can't grasp the difference between elemental and physical damages.

**** the clan if it's going to have views like yours.

What ever you say man. FOR THE LAST MOTHER ****ING TIME, IM NOT TALKING ABOUT PURE MELEE BUILDS, IM SAYING MY HYBRID SIN, WHICH IS NOT PURE MELEE, SHOULD BE ABLE TO USE VENOM IF THEY WERE DUELING A BVB OR A SIMILIAR, PURE MELEE BUILD.

[2.0]

Rage more.

[Omnicide]

Venom SHOULD be allowed on an ASSASSIN, in any duel. Venom should NOT be allowed on ANY other class in melee vs melee ONLY.That's not what this said.

[theOG22093]

Quote Tienje:
Barbs

Whirlwind:

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM9yTfeWnaQ

These are the bane of your existence. They have more damage, more life, more AR, and more DEF. Your best hope is to go prebuff high level venom and slap on your Bramble/Fort setup and Angelics. You will be able to defeat the bad barbs, but any barb with equipment equal to yours will give you quite a lot of trouble. Physical damage ghosts will fair better here than poison ones, but the gear must be quite good before winning will be a possibility. You can try to hit and run with OW, but most likely they’ll trigger OW on you too, and with your lower life, it’ll just work against you. That’s just how it is. Ghosts have to have a weakness somewhere right?

As with the trapper, you also have the option to slap on a widowmaker here and switch things up. Throw WoF on the floor around you, and keep moving. If you Nef your widowmaker, you'll have a much better chance. Don't worry about fully stunning the barb with MB, just cast it on him once in a while whenever you see him without a swirly (the shadow will help with that as well). Lay down traps and fire arrows, and keep your shadow stack up. The most important thing here is to stay mobile and to never let the barb have a chance to get a good whirl on you. Dodging his NL's will be a much better tactic than trying to stun him completely before firing arrows. This is one of those duels where you'll need to just wear him down. Just make sure to watch out for desync whirls.

He mentions Venom as the best way to beat Barb, one of the more famous pure melee classes due to ww, which probably shouldn't even be considered melee.

Quote Tienje:
Zealots:

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgaxcr1N0wI

These can actually be hard if you try and DoD them. They have insane defense and AR, and with your relatively low AR and defense, you may fall victim. Just do short clip WW’s or blade fury if they shift zeal, or whirl perpendicularly away if they come after you.

This skill, blade fury, is famous for Venom/OW.

That's not what this said.

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[2.0]

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What ever you say man. FOR THE LAST MOTHER ****ING TIME, IM NOT TALKING ABOUT PURE MELEE BUILDS, IM SAYING MY HYBRID SIN, WHICH IS NOT PURE MELEE, SHOULD BE ABLE TO USE VENOM IF THEY WERE DUELING A BVB OR A SIMILIAR, PURE MELEE BUILD.

Venom SHOULD be allowed on an ASSASSIN, in any duel. Venom should NOT be allowed on ANY other class in melee vs melee ONLY.

;o

[Omnicide]

Nice job using a WWsin guide to explain your point. That's not biased...as I'm sure it's built on a pure melee vs melee strategy.

WW is an iffy on melee, but that's why I can use Conc if WW is questioned.

Difference being WW is debatable while Venom is definitely not.

Keep convincing yourself that elemental damage is ok in melee duels. I expect it from you.

[theOG22093]

Nice job using a WWsin guide to explain your point. That's not biased...as I'm sure it's built on a pure melee vs melee strategy.

WW is an iffy on melee, but that's why I can use Conc if WW is questioned.

Difference being WW is debatable while Venom is definitely not.

Keep convincing yourself that elemental damage is ok in melee duels. I expect it from you.

This is going no where.
Post in this thread if you are interested in a GM ppk clan.

Nice job using a WWsin guide to explain your point. That's not biased...as I'm sure it's built on a pure melee vs melee strategy.

WW is an iffy on melee, but that's why I can use Conc if WW is questioned.

Difference being WW is debatable while Venom is definitely not.

Keep convincing yourself that elemental damage is ok in melee duels. I expect it from you.

And I've been talking about a wwsin this whole ****ing time.

[Vile]

Hybrid Sin isn't a pure melee build.

A hybrid sin is supposed to rely on melee more than anything else. The traps are mainly meant to help keep the other player stunned (along with mind blast) and do bits of damage at a time so you can get the whirlwind in there O_o.

[theOG22093]

A hybrid sin is supposed to rely on melee more than anything else. The traps are mainly meant to help keep the other player stunned (along with mind blast) and do bits of damage at a time so you can get the whirlwind in there O_o.

Indeed, but it's no where near pure melee based, nor pure physical.

[Nosferatu]

It's safe to say I have atleast 5 people that would do this, ATLEAST.

Some people that I THINK would want in, but they'll have to confirm it here first:
Jordan (Oilerfan)
Bryant (2.0)
Omnicide
Ave (Faygo)
Joe (Vile)

For the 5th time, my name isn't Ave. You're thinking of Kiba [Avery].

[theOG22093]

For the 5th time, my name isn't Ave. You're thinking of Kiba [Avery].

:O

:O

ZOMG rabies/fury is also BM, no melee duels for Jordan. :(
lawl...

[2.0]

:O



ZOMG rabies/fury is also BM, no melee duels for Jordan. :(
lawl...
Rabies is BM in pure Melee Vs Melee, yeah.

He can use fury all he wants though.

[theOG22093]

Rabies is BM in pure Melee Vs Melee, yeah.

He can use fury all he wants though.

I still am not getting why this is BM? Who says you CAN NOT use rabies just because its melee, it makes no sense. Seems like melee has a fear of rabies/venom, I dont see any reason to put your self in a worse position because of what someone else thinks.

[2.0]

Because that's the ****ing rules Josh. I didn't make then, I just follow them (Sometimes ;o).

Melee builds are made for Melee Vs Melee, and that ONLY. And Melee Vs Melee consists of Physical damage, and physical damage ONLY.

It's like talking to a ****ing brick wall.

[theOG22093]

Because that's the ****ing rules Josh. I didn't make then, I just follow them (Sometimes ;o).

Melee builds are made for Melee Vs Melee, and that ONLY. And Melee Vs Melee consists of Physical damage, and physical damage ONLY.

It's like talking to a ****ing brick wall.

Well who ever made those rules are a dumbass. I don't think using venom on an ASSASSIN when the skill is ****ing native to them is "bad mannered", which is also a ****ing opinion, and neither will I not use it because what I'm going up against thinks it's BM. These "Rules" you refer to are a set of ****ing opinions, it's not etched in stone. The only definite BM things are hacks and mods, simple as that.

I can say the same about you guys being a wall, but it seems like there's a ticking time bomb behind it thats ready to explode when someone doesnt agree with something.

I don't see why any of this matters, some one else has decided to try the SAME thing any way...

[2.0]

Going by that logic, everything in the game is GM. Because it's native.

There is no GM/BM, anything that's native to the game is allowed.

[Oilerfan]

If the way you're going by it if a melee necro(Lol) used lifetap on you THEN started swinging it would'nt be Bm due to it being native to them?

[theOG22093]

See this is where people pull up 1million and 1 instances where something could be considered BM. Like I said Idc, point that I was trying to get across still stands, Venom isn't BM on any Sin, at any time. If you can't find a way to fight it, not my problem. The SAME exact thing could be said about many other skills, so I don't need you to post them for me.

Lifetap would be considered MORE bad mannered than Elemental damage, life tap is like potting.

And no there is no solid GM/BM rules bryant, its ALL opinion. No one HAS to abide by any rules, if you chose not to duel someone because of something like that, thats YOUR decision, there's no spell that forces you to walk into the moor.

[Omnicide]

Then play pubs. Therefore negating any private PK clan...since it's no different than pubs anyway. O:

[Rhd999]

I'm definately in. Add me to da list homie.

[Omnicide]

Rhd, I advise you to read the past couple pages of posts. And pay close attention to how Josh feels with GM.

O_o

[theOG22093]

Then play pubs. Therefore negating any private PK clan...since it's no different than pubs anyway. O:

Hmm....

Topic Title:
Iso opinions, is Venom Bm? Lawl.(On sin)

Post 1: By me
Apparently some people are saying Venom is BM in melee because it's elemental damage. Who here agrees with this?

This is on Assassin only btw.

No. Would said people be the kind who 'left click and hold duel?'

This is BS. Using Venom is standard practice for sins in PVP. If they're not expecting you to do it, they're idiots.

It is the characters skill, therefore not BM.

[Oilerfan]

Hmm....

Topic Title:
Iso opinions, is Venom Bm? Lawl.(On sin)

Post 1: By me
Apparently some people are saying Venom is BM in melee because it's elemental damage. Who here agrees with this?

This is on Assassin only btw.

All those qoutes may not be for this exact question in melee vs melee it is BM

[Omnicide]

You're asking a bunch of sins which I GUESS don't do pure melee vs melee.

The way you talk leaves SEVERAL details left out.

It's ok though, I don't give a **** how you run your "GM" clan. It's your choice how you run a "GM" (read as Assassins biased) clan. :)

GM is what my group is for. :D

[theOG22093]

You're asking a bunch of sins which I GUESS don't do pure melee vs melee.

The way you talk leaves SEVERAL details left out.

It's ok though, I don't give a **** how you run your "GM" clan. It's your choice how you run a "GM" (read as Assassins biased) clan. :)

GM is what my group is for. :D

Where are you getting at it WAS gonna be MY clan. I wasn't planning on making myself Dictator....

And Mephy also said, in ANY situation, Venom is NOT BM, on an ASSASSIN. I never said anything else about any other class, I said Venom was ALWAYS GM on an ASSASSIN.

What details would you like me to add?

[Rhd999]

I'm fine with any rules, honestly Omni.

[theOG22093]

All those qoutes may not be for this exact question in melee vs melee it is BM

The question was Venom BM on a sin, in any instance.
http://forums.diii.net/showthread.php?p=6607744#post6607744

[Omnicide]

Elemental damage is BM in pure melee. Period.

You can use your "any" situation however you want.

In regular "who gives a ****" duels...Venom is ok. In PURE ****ING MELEE. It's BM. Want to know what melee sins mostly are? MA sins. O: OH MY GOD...A PURE MELEE SIN THAT DOESN'T NEED VENOM? Pinch me.

Now...since you're going about with the "if the skill is on said class then it's ok" then you can't ***** at all about Oiler's example. Because, by your rules, Life Tap is ok because it's on a necro natively.

Now if you're going to ***** about WW...that can be GM in any instance too...because it's on the Barb natively. But wait...WW isn't on a sin natively...HMMMMM

[Rhd999]

Lawl. Watching you two spout the same thing over and over again is going no where. If the duel is Melle vs. Melle, then its BM no matter what. If its any kind of duels, venom is allowed, period. But if the duel was predetermined to be Melle vs. Melle, then it's BM.

[2.0]

Lawl. Watching you two spout the same thing over and over again is going no where. If the duel is Melle vs. Melle, then its BM no matter what. If its any kind of duels, venom is allowed, period. But if the duel was predetermined to be Melle vs. Melle, then it's BM.
Bingo.

[Omnicide]

Lawl. Watching you two spout the same thing over and over again is going no where. If the duel is Melle vs. Melle, then its BM no matter what. If its any kind of duels, venom is allowed, period. But if the duel was predetermined to be Melle vs. Melle, then it's BM.HOLY **** THE NEWER PERSON GOT IT.

That's what the **** I've been saying!

[Rhd999]

HOLY **** THE NEWER PERSON GOT IT.

That's what the **** I've been saying!

Hey man, I've been playing for 3 years:p

Ehh, scratch that, 2 and a half LOL.

[Omnicide]

New to the forum. o;

[Rhd999]

I was here before they reset it =P, back when Dom was active and Mew was rampant. And we are OT again.

I just occasionally take a break from the forums//D2

[theOG22093]

Lawl. Watching you two spout the same thing over and over again is going no where. If the duel is Melle vs. Melle, then its BM no matter what. If its any kind of duels, venom is allowed, period. But if the duel was predetermined to be Melle vs. Melle, then it's BM.

What I'm saying is A sin gets a 1pt Whirlwind from a runeword(Chaos). THEN they have to invest points into Venom for the additional damage. A Barbarian gets to choose if it wants to invest points into whirlwind, and ultimately a mastery of what ever weapon. This gives the Barbarian an option to get VERY high phys dmg. The Sin uses Venom to even out the playing feild, that's not BM its strategy. If your going to go deeply into this all your going to get is examples and opinions...

Lawl. Watching you two spout the same thing over and over again is going no where. If the duel is Melle vs. Melle, then its BM no matter what. If its any kind of duels, venom is allowed, period. But if the duel was predetermined to be Melle vs. Melle, then it's BM.

I've asked multiple times, read back pages, to end the pointless fued, but it's not happening I guess. And I strongly disagree with your opinion, also read back pages for explanations. On ANY duel, a sin should be allowed to use venom.

Rhd, I advise you to read the past couple pages of posts. And pay close attention to how Josh feels with GM.

O_o

This guy knows me, he knows Im GM. No one HAS to duel by my opinions anyway. Idk how you can say Venom on a Hybrid sin is BM against melee when it's not even a melee build, it has ****ing traps.

[Rhd999]

Exactly, a Hybrid sin won't be in Melle vs. Melle duels ever, because they aren't. What they ARE saying is that if the sin were to be in a Melle vs. Melle duel, then it WOULD be BM, not your hybrid sin vs. a Barb for example, BECAUSE no matter what that duel won;t be M vs. M.

[Omnicide]

It seems apparent that many people would duel how you think is GM.

Don't say you duel GM with your "I duel however the **** I want" bit, essentially making you just like the pubs...which are mostly BM.

Josh...you were the one defending venom in melee. Don't try turning things around here.

[Rhd999]

So are we still going to do this? XDD I hope so. I'm tired of hacks in pubs.

[theOG22093]

It seems apparent that many people would duel how you think is GM.

Don't say you duel GM with your "I duel however the **** I want" bit, essentially making you just like the pubs...which are mostly BM.

Josh...you were the one defending venom in melee. Don't try turning things around hre.

Yes, on Assassins only. Read back posts.........

Exactly, a Hybrid sin won't be in Melle vs. Melle duels ever, because they aren't. What they ARE saying is that if the sin were to be in a Melle vs. Melle duel, then it WOULD be BM, not your hybrid sin vs. a Barb for example, BECAUSE no matter what that duel won;t be M vs. M.

So your saying a pure venom WW assassin is bm in melee?

[Rhd999]

So your saying a pure venom WW assassin is bm in melee?

If it has been decided to be melle only, then yes, Venom is as BM as using some other form of elemental damage.

Can we stop this now?

[theOG22093]

If it has been decided to be melle only, then yes, Venom is as BM as using some other form of elemental damage.

Can we stop this now?

Everyone has there own opinion...

[Supster]

Everyone has there own opinion...

some both have an opinion and can spell....

[theOG22093]

some both have an opinion and can spell....

Nice avatar fruitcake.