Start The Fued, Bvc or Bva?

[theOG22093]

Ok, I currently have a Bvc. This is my first one, and it's fun and very effective. Now that I have more of the gear, I want to remake him. But first, I'd like to decide~ Bva or Bvc?

Also, what weapons? My last set-up was GriefZ+BeastZ. I didn't have much problems with damage, but I could NOT tank like most other barbs could that I faced. And is it worth maxing leap?

Let the posts fly Omni, Dain, and Mephy.

[Omnicide]

A BvA has mostly been defined as a BvC that has dex for max block in order to take out other BvCs and such. In general you will not take out a good BvB. The main problem with a pure BvC taking on other barbs is that a BvC's defense sits lower...obviously because it's supposed to take on casters. There isn't too much you can do on that end.

However...I remember my old Death/Beast barb taking out cookie cutter WW barbs that used SS. I'm guessing they were just horrible players...but it still raises questions to me.

Essentially it's how you play it. No character will ever be the 100% winner against everything.

Grief/Beast is about the best you can do damagewise.

As for the leap discussion...I'm on the fence with that. I've heard 16 yards was ok...I've heard 18 yards is mandatory...and maxing gives like 18.8 yards...so it's confusing to me.

[theOG22093]

A BvA has mostly been defined as a BvC that has dex for max block in order to take out other BvCs and such. In general you will not take out a good BvB. The main problem with a pure BvC taking on other barbs is that a BvC's defense sits lower...obviously because it's supposed to take on casters. There isn't too much you can do on that end.

However...I remember my old Death/Beast barb taking out cookie cutter WW barbs that used SS. I'm guessing they were just horrible players...but it still raises questions to me.

Essentially it's how you play it. No character will ever be the 100% winner against everything.

Grief/Beast is about the best you can do damagewise.

As for the leap discussion...I'm on the fence with that. I've heard 16 yards was ok...I've heard 18 yards is mandatory...and maxing gives like 18.8 yards...so it's confusing to me.

Ya about the leap, a guide I read said to either hit 14 or Max. I'm guessing 14 gets you 16Yards.

I'm thinking about your old Ebotd/Ebotd set-up. Is Grief really that much better? I think more life would be better than damage.

WOW!
I remade my bvc, this time I didn't build for fort, and came out with 1.3k more life. Topped 6k.

[Omnicide]

I forget what level gets you 16 yards. I know I can hit it with the basic BvC gear though. The damage on Grief far surpasses BotD...that's what you'll need for BvC. Besides...with a BvC you should have more than enough life anyway.

Hm...that life total seems kind of low. You're not using all charms, are you? Because my Death/Beast one which was built exclusively around fort hit like 7.4k or so life. ._.;

[theOG22093]

I forget what level gets you 16 yards. I know I can hit it with the basic BvC gear though. The damage on Grief far surpasses BotD...that's what you'll need for BvC. Besides...with a BvC you should have more than enough life anyway.

Hm...that life total seems kind of low. You're not using all charms, are you? Because my Death/Beast one which was built exclusively around fort hit like 7.4k or so life. ._.;

I'm using mastery lifers untill i can get lifer scs. The ar/life etc. ones are expensive.

[September 28, 1987]

Let's start the 'feud'. :O

Whisper AUTOLEAP for leaping lessons. He is a real pain. >:(

[theOG22093]

Let's start the 'feud'. :O

Whisper AUTOLEAP for leaping lessons. He is a real pain. >:(

Lol I saw him in a pub with tpking with a bowazon....sad. I tryed to run up on the zon, didn't notice the 2v1, and got slammed lol.

[September 28, 1987]

Lol I saw him in a pub with tpking with a bowazon....sad. I tryed to run up on the zon, didn't notice the 2v1, and got slammed lol.

I think I was there.

They are both on my friends list (Avi being the bow) but a little off-topic, he's just pretty good on Barb and the name fits what you were talking about. o_O

[theOG22093]

I think I was there.

They are both on my friends list (Avi being the bow) but a little off-topic, he's just pretty good on Barb and the name fits what you were talking about. o_O

Ya you were there now that I think about it lol.
ULing atm.

[Barloc]

A BvA has mostly been defined as a BvC that has dex for max block in order to take out other BvCs and such. In general you will not take out a good BvB. The main problem with a pure BvC taking on other barbs is that a BvC's defense sits lower...obviously because it's supposed to take on casters. There isn't too much you can do on that end.

However...I remember my old Death/Beast barb taking out cookie cutter WW barbs that used SS. I'm guessing they were just horrible players...but it still raises questions to me.

Essentially it's how you play it. No character will ever be the 100% winner against everything.

Grief/Beast is about the best you can do damagewise.

As for the leap discussion...I'm on the fence with that. I've heard 16 yards was ok...I've heard 18 yards is mandatory...and maxing gives like 18.8 yards...so it's confusing to me.

I'm pretty much with you on all of that. Cause really in the end, it comes down to skill (given that items are the same etc). So a difference of 1k life in the end isn't always a huge deal.

I mean, you can still build a gg cookie BvB with low req gear and hit well over 6k life at higher lvls- while still carrying typical BvC/BvA gear.

I vote for BvA style more so you dont get reamed by the numb nuts BvB, who's partied with casters in pubs:eek:

Do you *absolutely* need leap ;/

[theOG22093]

I'm pretty much with you on all of that. Cause really in the end, it comes down to skill (given that items are the same etc). So a difference of 1k life in the end isn't always a huge deal.

I mean, you can still build a gg cookie BvB with low req gear and hit well over 6k life at higher lvls- while still carrying typical BvC/BvA gear.

I vote for BvA style more so you dont get reamed by the numb nuts BvB, who's partied with casters in pubs:eek:

Do you *absolutely* need leap ;/

After a few adjustments, I came up with 6.7k Life. Still working on the charms. With angelics on I almost top 7k.

So, tell me if I'm wrong, this is what I've gathered:
Bvc~ Caster Killer
Bva~ Anti Bvc and a.....Bvc.

BTW anyone got a ringmail or dusk nigma NL west?

[Omnicide]

BvA is somewhat of a stopgap between BvC and BvB. It can take BvCs and casters and tries to put up a fight with a BvB.

I'm sure you'll get a lot more life than I did if you get all 20 life small charms and are building around enigma. Building around Enigma, alone, will put you at a nice number. I still think fort would help better in some situations though.

[theOG22093]

BvA is somewhat of a stopgap between BvC and BvB. It can take BvCs and casters and tries to put up a fight with a BvB.

I'm sure you'll get a lot more life than I did if you get all 20 life small charms and are building around enigma. Building around Enigma, alone, will put you at a nice number. I still think fort would help better in some situations though.

Ya, I definetly would. But these 30+ Masteries are doing good right now.
How do you get rid of those tmc hammerdins gfg they're sooo aggravating. If I get my sin, they sorb. My barb ddoesn't seem to match up against them well, I guess because I'm new. And atm, I'm still working on my necro's gear so he's not shooting out enough to contend with them either. Any advice?

[Omnicide]

With any WW barb if you're playing a well made hdin...it's in their favor. I think taking on Hdins is 50% chance at best of winning. Plus it depends how they play. If they desynch you're best off leaping to try to throw it off since invisible hammers is a ***** to deal with. If it's the tele bombers you want to time it right so that you WW down or down/left as they get onto you. WW up or up/right and you're ez'd. Also if there are already hammers up don't WW to attack. WW against an hdin should only be used if they're charging or while they're teleing on you (given no hammers in the area). Other than that you're going to be depending heavily on tele/zerking.

[theOG22093]

With any WW barb if you're playing a well made hdin...it's in their favor. I think taking on Hdins is 50% chance at best of winning. Plus it depends how they play. If they desynch you're best off leaping to try to throw it off since invisible hammers is a ***** to deal with. If it's the tele bombers you want to time it right so that you WW down or down/left as they get onto you. WW up or up/right and you're ez'd. Also if there are already hammers up don't WW to attack. WW against an hdin should only be used if they're charging or while they're teleing on you (given no hammers in the area). Other than that you're going to be depending heavily on tele/zerking.


Ok, so in my duels so far, in pubs (home of the tmc), I've found that I had a much better chance with the Sin against Hdins. Most of them I don't kill, but only because they potted or towned. What I try to do is go on more of a ghost tactic against them, because the lightning sentrys don't do **** with the mass sorb present. The stupid ones won't charge out of the stunlock and just sit there taking wws untill they run out of pots. The hammerdins that actually have brains enough to charge out, usually get met with a namelock tele, to mb, to wof, to mb, to tri-whirl attempt( *attempt, not too great at it yet). The worst will meet me at the entrance with a tele bomb and guard my corpse lol. I just made my Necro yesterday, going to work on his gear tomorrow.

[Omnicide]

Triwhirling an hdin has to be one of the worst strategies...period. ._.;

[aznmatt001]

well bvc and bva tend to use the same skills. just use bva and put bvc gear in stash

[Omnicide]

They might use the same skills...but the points are placed way differently.

[theOG22093]

Triwhirling an hdin has to be one of the worst strategies...period. ._.;

I'm not saying it'd work good against anyone half-decent, but I'm saying it works pretty good against those tmc dumbasses. Once the wof starts up, they don't know what to do lol.
Usually I just try to ww away and get some hits off.

[Omnicide]

Yeah...I suppose with a stunlock you could manage it better than a barb. Still I wouldn't take the chance.

I forget who, but me and DA faced this one TMC/auto-TP hdin. He was incredibly predictable. All he did was telebomb. DA and I got him to TP more often than he should have.

[theOG22093]

Yeah...I suppose with a stunlock you could manage it better than a barb. Still I wouldn't take the chance.

I forget who, but me and DA faced this one TMC/auto-TP hdin. He was incredibly predictable. All he did was telebomb. DA and I got him to TP more often than he should have.

Well I have my Hybrid Sin, my barb, and.........my new current project is a Necro. I one point'd amp, weaken, and revive, some anyone that even hints tmc is getting a run for their money this time. Gourilla war fare with a necro, so far in one days of experience, ****ing owns. I'm missing a lot too.

[Omnicide]

Minion stack is notoriously BM...so I'm not sure if "pwning" is the word.

*yawn* is all I have to say to that.

[theOG22093]

Minion stack is notoriously BM...so I'm not sure if "pwning" is the word.

*yawn* is all I have to say to that.

Well you pick, outside mod or a summon that is actually part of the character.

[mephiztophelez]

my $0.02: go the bvc and just accept that bvb's are beyond that 'toons capabilities. in any event, you seldom get bvb's in pub games.

BvA is somewhat of a stopgap between BvC and BvB. It can take BvCs and casters and tries to put up a fight with a BvB.

bva's do slightly better against bowazons and bvc's than a straight bvc does.

a bva can try to fight pure bvb's, but they generally die horribly in the attempt.

I still think fort would help better in some situations though.

nah, eni all the way for bvc. a widowmaker is also a nice addition to the mix.

that said, my fort wearing bvb does quite well against hammerdins. unfortunatly foh'ers ez me.

[Omnicide]

Yeah...I usually wear fort against Hdins since I'd be leaping to break a desync or Guided arrow to track them. I hardly ever effectively tele on an hdin.

Just personal experience.

[theOG22093]

Yeah...I usually wear fort against Hdins since I'd be leaping to break a desync or Guided arrow to track them. I hardly ever effectively tele on an hdin.

Just personal experience.

I didn't invest for fort, so kinda screwed there. I do have a 5ga Widow on a mule though, but in my experiences is a lot of swapping for not that great of an outcome.

[Omnicide]

Eh it's all in how you play. I can't aim the tele so it hits right below their feet...and most of the time I accidentally namelock and tele above them...instant death.

[mephiztophelez]

I didn't invest for fort, so kinda screwed there. I do have a 5ga Widow on a mule though, but in my experiences is a lot of swapping for not that great of an outcome.

<3 widowmaker on a barb. it's excellent if you use it properly.

in any event, the trick to duelling a hammy with a barb is never to go on the offensive. try and lure them into telebombing you, hopefully you'll be in full ww when they land.

[Omnicide]

Yeah.

A lack of Widowmaker makes that difficult. ;P

[theOG22093]

Yeah.

A lack of Widowmaker makes that difficult. ;P

Definetly not. Go in a pub and host any hammerdin. I'm positive they will try to telebomb you at the gate rofl. They do it to me EVERYTIME, never fails. I've learned to get cold plains wp on all my pk characters LOL.

[Omnicide]

Keyword there being "pub".

One strategy for them.

Oh yeah...I don't BO at CP...too damn obvious. A3 WPs ftw.

[theOG22093]

Keyword there being "pub".

One strategy for them.

Oh yeah...I don't BO at CP...too damn obvious. A3 WPs ftw.

Ya i find a wp too. Im saying where I usually start from even, is CP.

[theOG22093]

BvB IMO!

Spam less IMO!

[theOG22093]

Why flame? Reported!

Lol'd, you'll be gone in a week or so.
Good job being the last poster in every thread....

[theOG22093]

Thanks!

Np Nigmacell.

[theOG22093]

wow, you're a spammer!

Keep my threads clean, bring your spam else where kiddo. You've allready been reported for an IP check.

[theOG22093]

Good to know, thanks!

Post reported.
Move your spam somewhere else, keep my threads clean.

[cmlogu01]

Wow, i sound stupid but i dont know what BvC or BvA stand for

[Omnicide]

BvC=Barb vs Caster...a barbarian specifically built to take casters.
BvA=Barb vs All...a sort of stopgap to have an equal ground of taking casters and melee. Has trouble against specialized melee/caster builds.

[cmlogu01]

oh, ty. Now I get it.
but technically I think that the role of mage killer goes to assassin, whose original meaning meant mage killer. still I like the idea, not that itd help a single player person. Unless you could take out those darn casters in the chaos sanctuary better

[Omnicide]

They're more PvP terms.

[theOG22093]

oh, ty. Now I get it.
but technically I think that the role of mage killer goes to assassin, whose original meaning meant mage killer. still I like the idea, not that itd help a single player person. Unless you could take out those darn casters in the chaos sanctuary better

Assassins original meaning was to "assassinate" corrupt leaders, usually with too much power.

[Omnicide]

I think he was meaning more on the Diablo universe. The assassins were trained to take out rogue mages.

[theOG22093]

I think he was meaning more on the Diablo universe. The assassins were trained to take out rogue mages.

Ahh.