Hybrid WW/Trap, Ghost, or Pure LS?

[theOG22093]

Well as many of you know, the ladder is resetting soon. When it does, my trapper will be converted to NL. I'm strongly thinking about remaking her into one of the following:
~Hybrid WW/Trapper~
~Ghost~
-or-
Keep it at LS, but remake.
The one I'm most interested in is probably the hybrid, because of the gear I have. Here's a few questions:
1.) Which build do you think I should make, to handle most other builds.
2.) Which gear/set-up do you recommend for the build that you recommend?

Here's a few screenshots of some goodies for a could-be Hybrid:

Helm:
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm120/derrick12345678910/Screenshot047.jpg
2Assassin
20FCR
26Strength
87Attack Rating
1Open Socket
I think this would be a GFG helm for a hybrid or ghost sin.

FCR Crafted Ring:
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm120/derrick12345678910/Screenshot027.jpg
10FCR
2LL
20Strength
6Dexterity
13Life
Another GG option for any of the builds.
35Mana

I pulled a dumbass move (considering the ladder is resetting) and gave away my claws to a freind, so I'm praying he still has. The claws were pretty decent:

Chaos Runic Talons
2Lightning Sentry

Fury Feral Claws:
1Venom
2Mind Blast


I won't actually make this character for a while, and when I do I'm remaking the BvC also. I would like to wait til I have all or close to all of the gear.

Open for ANY and ALL help and recommendations.

[theOG22093]

Usually someone would have responded to this by now. Any input would be greatly appreciated. *Cough* Sambo *Cough*

[mephiztophelez]

sorry to say: the circlet is nice, but not godly. it's a 3-mod rare (the AR isn't really a mod 'sins hunt for on a helm unless it's visionary, +%ar/lvl). ditto the ring.

while it would be very tempting to build in all that strength, you could find yourself stuck if you come across a better helm/ring later on that doesn't have strength.

personally, i like Hybrids for pubbing. be aware however, that a t-gods + wisp will ruin your traps and turn you into an underpowered ghost. a Ghost is a solid 1v1 build, but gettting teamed up on is a bit more than a ghost can realistically handle (unless you're teamed up on by nublets ofc)

in any event, the important thing with any ww'sin build is to hit the basic goals: 65% fcr, 48%fhr. these are important.

ways to hit 65%fcr:
1: circlet/arach/trangs gives 60%, the other 5% can come from any caster craft ammy, preferably with +2'sin on it. (the advantage of this setup is that it leaves a ringslot free from FCR duties.)
2: circlet/trangs/15%+ammy/10%ring: leaves belt slot open for more %DR (dungos) or sorb (t-gods)
3: griffons/arach/trangs: not the ideal helm, but does make a nice easy 3-piece solution for 65%fcr.
4: CoA/arach/trangs/15%+ammy/10%ring: i don't like this setup myself. CoA is a nice helm, but puts massive strain on our FCR goals. only if i come across the godliest 20fcr/+2sin ammy on West would i consider using a CoA on a 'sin.



other thoughts: look for a +3LS runic or greater talon for your Fury claw. with the setup you have, you have different base WSM's on your claws (-30 for the runic, -20 for the feral). this can be fine if you're speedbugging, but for general ease-of-use, i like matched WSM claws.


fyi: here's my setup:

helm: 2/20 with some life and base res on it (http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/7779/sinhattc1.jpg), socky with a res/ias jool. this is a "nice" hat, but i have seen much better.
armour: enigma MP
ammy: i have a selection of these depending on need. +2/5fcr/minor res. +2/5fcr/75%plr, +1/5fcr/big cold + fire res, +1/15%fcr/nice res.....
belt: arach and a 15%dr SoE
gloves: Trangs. wear anything but trangs on a venom'sin and you can hand in your membership to the order of mageslayers.
rings: ravenfrost + a mix'n'match of wisp/dwarf/another raven and a 10fcr/dex/gravy ring (i need the dex to pick up a runic talon)
boots: 2/20 dancers

claws:
1: +3ls/+3d-flight chaos greater talon (the d-flight is actually superfluous as i almost never use it. tele/talon or tele/whirl are better attacks)
2: fools/2sox/20ias/+2venom runic. socky'd with Um+Nef, used vs smiters.
3: +2'sin/fools/10ias rare greater talon, socky with an Um (main claw)
4: Strength Greater Claw with +3 LS on it (for PvM'ing)

charms:
anni/torch. 9x Shadow Lifers. 11x Res/Lifer sc's.

just a quick word on skills:
max: venom, lit sentry
1point: all other shadow skills, WoF, Blade Shield. 2 points into Mind Blast (something in the shadow master coding means the 'master will cast MB more if you have more hard points in it)
ALL OTHER POINTS TO TRAP SYNERGIES!!!!!1111!!!!!


fyi: i've managed 3.9k life on my 'sin. which i rekon aint a bad effort.

[theOG22093]

Well I decided on a Ghost. I got some really nice stuff for one coming when the reset is up. And that ring was PC'd at 200-300fg.

Another sexy circlet:
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm120/derrick12345678910/Screenshot065.jpg

Sexy Torch:
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm120/derrick12345678910/Screenshot066.jpg

Some P SDancers
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm120/derrick12345678910/Screenshot068.jpg

Another Nice Chaos:
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm120/derrick12345678910/Screenshot059.jpg


I'll send another with my fool's claw.

[theOG22093]

Another Nice Fury:
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm120/derrick12345678910/Screenshot060.jpg

And ofc. my new Fool's Claw:
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm120/derrick12345678910/Screenshot058.jpg

[mephiztophelez]

now THATS a worthwhile circlet.

looking at those claws, i can't help thinking they'd be better suited to a ghost than a hybrid. that fools claw just screams ww/kicker to me. downside is you'll be stuck at 10 frame traps (9 frame in 1v1's vs hammys and bone necs when you can use bos)

btw: i'm not saying that ring isn't nice, my sork would love it. but i wouldn't want to build it into a ghost.

[theOG22093]

now THATS a worthwhile circlet.

looking at those claws, i can't help thinking they'd be better suited to a ghost than a hybrid. that fools claw just screams ww/kicker to me. downside is you'll be stuck at 10 frame traps (9 frame in 1v1's vs hammys and bone necs when you can use bos)

btw: i'm not saying that ring isn't nice, my sork would love it. but i wouldn't want to build it into a ghost.

I'm pretty much decided on ghost now. That's what I got the claws for. But as far as I'm concerned, I still have around 2full days before I have this stuff on NL, so I still have some time to think. The best stun for a Ghost is 3xLS/2xWoF right? If so I won't even need to put points into LS with that Fury. And hah I see you like the new circ? I'm loving the cold resists on it.

[mephiztophelez]

The best stun for a Ghost is 3xLS/2xWoF right? If so I won't even need to put points into LS with that Fury
i'd still skill lit-sentry for when u use the fools. i'd also skill a point to Death Sentry. helps speed up the levelling process.

ghosts aren't exactly strapped for skillpoints the way hybrids are.

[theOG22093]

i'd still skill lit-sentry for when u use the fools. i'd also skill a point to Death Sentry. helps speed up the levelling process.

ghosts aren't exactly strapped for skillpoints the way hybrids are.

Ah ya almost forgot about that lol. On my last sin (Hybrid) I didn't have the luxury of a fools, hopefully this time it makes it a lot different.

Now that I know I have to put the 1 pt into LS because of the Fools, wouldn't the best option for the ghost be to go with the Chaos GTs and the Fury Feral Claws?

Ok so far I think the best set-up I can muster up is:
~Helmet~
Spirit Shell Tiara
(2Sin/15Ias/20Fcr/19Strength/64CResist/27Rest)

~Armor~
Enigma Dusk Shroud~
(Most likely will be random stats, only want it for looks)

~Claws~
Chaos Greater Talons
(1Venom/1Dragon Flight/3Mind Blast)
Fury Feral Claws
(1Venom/2Mind Blast)
Viper Barb Greater Talons
(2Shadow Master/20Ias/263Ed/Fools Mod/Non Socketed)

~Gloves/Belt/Boots~
Trangs Gloves
(Perf Defense)
Arachnids
(115Ed)
Shadow Dancers
(2/25)

~Jewelry~
Maras
(30Resistances)
Ravenfrost
(20/23x)
Bitter Spiral Crafted Ring
(10Fcr/2LL/20Strength/6Dex/13Life/35Mana)

~Switch~
CTA Flail
(6/6/2)
BO Spirit Mon
(Not positive but need to see my final stat in strength)

~Charms~
Ntorch
(20/20)
Annihilus
(20/14/10)
9x Shadow GCs
(Not sure what mods I'm going to need on them yet)
And also not sure on the remaining 10 SC spots I'll have left.

[mephiztophelez]

9x Shadow GCs
(Not sure what mods I'm going to need on them yet)
i run 2x FHR gc's and the rest lifers. gives me the 48%fhr bp.

And also not sure on the remaining 10 SC spots I'll have left.
lifer sc's with the best res mods you can swing.

~Armor~
Enigma Dusk Shroud~
(Most likely will be random stats, only want it for looks)
do the numbers. will you be at base str? howmuch str will you need to add? do you need more str for the dusk than for a mageplate? if yes, don't use a dusk.

Now that I know I have to put the 1 pt into LS because of the Fools, wouldn't the best option for the ghost be to go with the Chaos GTs and the Fury Feral Claws?
against low def opponents (sorks, necs, druids etc), yes.

against pallys and barbs, you'll need the fools. i run my fools claw as standard. i don't actually have a fury claw atm (although i do have a nice +3ls 3os greater talon......)

[theOG22093]

i run 2x FHR gc's and the rest lifers. gives me the 48%fhr bp.


lifer sc's with the best res mods you can swing.


do the numbers. will you be at base str? howmuch str will you need to add? do you need more str for the dusk than for a mageplate? if yes, don't use a dusk.


against low def opponents (sorks, necs, druids etc), yes.

against pallys and barbs, you'll need the fools. i run my fools claw as standard. i don't actually have a fury claw atm (although i do have a nice +3ls 3os greater talon......)


Well when I mentioned the claws what I really meant is should I use those over the previous chaos/fury claws that I mentioned. (The Runic/Feral)

As for the Dusk nigma, 20 from Anni 20 from torch and 20 from the ring off the top of my head clears the strength req.

[N V]

You will indeed reach the requirement. 20+20+20+20 (starting stat/torch/anni/ring) will reach 80 str and a Dusk needs 77.

[theOG22093]

You will indeed reach the requirement. 20+20+20+20 (starting stat/torch/anni/ring) will reach 80 str and a Dusk needs 77.

Yea. That's not counting what ever the rest of my equip might add, hence Maras, and both of the circlet have at the least +19Strength.

[theOG22093]

I've heard somewhere that spider assassin is very strong, anyone got a guide for that?

It's on JSP, I've seen it before. Theres guides on multiple sin builds at:
www.diabloii.net

BTW, here's some info on the sin:
ISO: UL, and opinions on my last 2 Diablo 2 Characters.
Got rid of all my mules, and my necro. I only have these 2 characters left (Besides my hammerdin, just basic gear). What you guys think?

1.~Hybrid Whirlwind/Trap Assassin~
Whirlwind Damage: 2.9k
Lightning Sentry Damage: 6.2k
Life: 3.9k
Resistances: Max in Hell with Fade
Gear:
2Assassin/20Fcr/15Ias/19Strength/64Cold/27Light/27Fire/27Poison Resistances
20Ias(Base)/263%Ed/Fools Mod'd/2Shadow Master Nef'd Greater Talons
1Venom/1Dragon Flight/3Mind Blast/311Ed Chaos Greater Talons
Dusk Shroud Enigma
Trang-Oul's Claws
2/25/94Ed Shadow Dancers
118Ed Arachnids
30Resistances Maras
236/20 Ravenfrost
10Fcr/20Strength/6Dexterity/15Life/35Mana Crafted Ring
20/20 Sin Torch
20/14/10 Annihilus
5x Shadow Lifers (40/37/35/30/30)
4x Trap Lifers (35/30/30/28)
10x 20 Vita Scs
Screenshot:
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm120/derrick12345678910/Screenshot088.jpg
2.Barbarian Vs. Caster
Whirlwind Damage: 1.2k/2.2l (GriefZ/BeastZ)
Berzerk Damage: 1.4k
Whirlwind AR: 8.1k (Highlords/2xRaven)
Berzerk AR: 13.3k (Angelics/1xRaven)
Life: 7.2k
Mana: 450
Defense: 12k

Gear:
29/26 Ber Ber'd CoA
173 Zod'd Eth Arreats
4Bo Light Green Arreat Style
Ring Mail Enigma
35/391 GriefZ
246/36 BeastZ
2x 3Bo Sticks
-44/385 DoomZ
-50/381 DoomZ
Trang Oul's Claws
9/15 Dracul's Grasp
189Ed Tgods
115Ed Arachnids
Aldurs Advance
Highlords
2x RavenFrost( 234/20, 221/20)
Angelics Amulet
2x Angelics Rings
1x SoJ
1x BK Wedding Band
1x Random Dwarf Star
1x 20 Wisp
1x Random Rising Sun
18/16 BTorch
18/12/10 Annihilus
6x Mastery Lifers (40/39/38/38/32/31)
2x War Cry Lifers (38/38)
5x Ar/Life Scs (36/19, 15/20, 21/20, 17/20, 23/17)
8x 20Vitas
Screenshot:
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm120/derrick12345678910/Screenshot092.jpg