namelocking, chainlocking, unsummon and you

[mephiztophelez]

this started as a PM question from theOG22093. i thought i'd just make a thread with the answer as someone else is bound to ask sooner or later.

use it however works for you. i have found it far easier to tri-whirl with it set on RMB, i can also skill-switch mid-whirl if i need to (from WW to Mindblast if a favourite), a BvC can also use it to get an unsummon name-lock mid-whirl.


you thought wrong.


o_O

i suggest you practice it.

fcr isn't really needed, it's nice, but not mandatory. mostly, tele-smite is used from an RMB namelock (eg: aura-locking, you can use unsummon if you choose), tap tele, switch back to Fanat & shift smite once you land.

it's a very, very handy PvP skill for a smiter to know. and it's the only way for a smiter to consistently beat any half competent ww-user.

Whats this unsymmon namelock? How does it work, and how do you do it?

the Unsummon "skill" can be set to your RMB. if you get a namelock and hold it with Unsummon, your opponent can move around while you stay still and keep them namelocked (so long as they stay in minimap range ofc)

now you have your namelock, by switching to Teleport on rmb, you'll telebomb straight on top of them. same as, for example, switching from Fireball to Tele on RMB. i have an RMB namelock (henceforth called NL) on you with fireball, i key in Tele, booyah, telebomb.

the Throw skill can also be used on either LMB or RMB if thats more your style.

pallys can use an Aura for this too. on a smiter for example: RMB NL with Fanat, switch to tele, switch back to fanat, smite.

now, another trick: if i'm holding a NL with smite (or Dragon Talon) on LMB and my opponent gets away, i'll start walking towards them, ready to smite/kick once i get within range. while walking towards their new position, if i key Tele to RMB (keeping my LMB NL) and tap my rmb, i'll now tele on top of them (this does NOT work while shift+smiting (or kicking). the whole principle of Chainlocking is based around this.

heres a vid Camden made to try and demonstrate the principle. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=zcsxZpgl8GM)

namelocking and chainlocking are somewhat essential PvP skills duellers will need to master.

[theOG22093]

Hmmm, this is still somewhat confusing to me. I'm not getting how to initially trigger the namelock. I think I understand how to keep it going (chainlock?) but I couldn't see how you initially get the name lock going? So far this is what I think I've got:
-To start the namelock initially hover the cursor over the character's name and shift-attack. To tele, switch to the tele and r-click (do you have to hold something while your switching to tele, and thus clicking it?). Start smiting untill they die, you die, or they move. Then as long as they're in one screen range, you can tele again (I'm assuming like before you'd have to hold something).
A few other questions:

1. I currently have a Trapsin on West lad, because me and a few guys are making a baal team and try to get to 99. How effective would this work with a pure trapsin? One one hand it seems like it wouldnt be a good idea, due to the fact that I don't atttack directly, but through traps, that I have to lay down first. On the other hand, it seems like a great tactic because of Mind blast. So would i set traps first, then NL and attempt a MN stun for the traps can do there job? I have a few different set-ups on my sin, normally a hoto/spirit 102/86 set-up, but I have stash gear for a CB 65/86 Set-up.

2. I'm thinking about making a BvC on NL ( I recently came away from NL, to start the trapper). What's do you think about how good of an idea this is, and should I do this or not?

3. If I do make a BvC, I think this would be one of the "meat&potatoes" part of this build, due to a barbs relatively fast cast rate, and the fact that this build allows teleport. How would I go about NL teleporting into a ww? And I think I have the tri-whirl down, but can you help explain that too?

Sorry for the long questions, I've always been a PvM guy, but I want to really start getting into PK. BTW, I have everything for the BvC except the charms, which I will try to get soon. Also, it's BM to use 2xDooms, only vs zons? Thanks bro.

[mephiztophelez]

practice it this way with your trapper.

set Unsummon to RMB. mouse over a target (a friend or monster or whatever. a friend would be best to do this with) click and hold with rmb. you stand still, target can move around, namelock holds.

now, you have unsummon NL'd a target, switch to Mind Blast (RMB), see what happens? you start mind-blasting your opponent, switch back to Unsummon, you stop MB'in BUT you keep your namelock.

now, lay a trap and go back to mind blast. see what happens?

lay a couple more traps (3x LS + 2x WOF for best stun), switch back to MB, switch to Unsummon. see what happens? if your opponent is moving around (and stays within mini-map range, if they go out of mini-map range, they'll break your namelock), your traps will follow them.

namelocking is the cause of MANY accusations of AA & hax.

as for the BvC idea, i have to ask: how's your ping? if your "standard" ping is ~80'ish, then yes, you can make a BvC work for you. my ping is ~250 and i just can't pk with a bvc. bvc's are VERY ping dependent (and hard to master).

[theOG22093]

practice it this way with your trapper.

set Unsummon to RMB. mouse over a target (a friend or monster or whatever. a friend would be best to do this with) click and hold with rmb. you stand still, target can move around, namelock holds.

now, you have unsummon NL'd a target, switch to Mind Blast (RMB), see what happens? you start mind-blasting your opponent, switch back to Unsummon, you stop MB'in BUT you keep your namelock.

now, lay a trap and go back to mind blast. see what happens?

lay a couple more traps (3x LS + 2x WOF for best stun), switch back to MB, switch to Unsummon. see what happens? if your opponent is moving around (and stays within mini-map range, if they go out of mini-map range, they'll break your namelock), your traps will follow them.

namelocking is the cause of MANY accusations of AA & hax.

as for the BvC idea, i have to ask: how's your ping? if your "standard" ping is ~80'ish, then yes, you can make a BvC work for you. my ping is ~250 and i just can't pk with a bvc. bvc's are VERY ping dependent (and hard to master).


Oh **** I definetly have to try this with my Sin, it will smoke my standard "lay down traps and tele around till you can get off a MB lol".
As for the ping, I'm not positive but it's usually 94 as far as I know. When I get over 250, which is rare, I usually will start lagging up, and sometimes drop.

practice it this way with your trapper.

set Unsummon to RMB. mouse over a target (a friend or monster or whatever. a friend would be best to do this with) click and hold with rmb. you stand still, target can move around, namelock holds.

now, you have unsummon NL'd a target, switch to Mind Blast (RMB), see what happens? you start mind-blasting your opponent, switch back to Unsummon, you stop MB'in BUT you keep your namelock.

now, lay a trap and go back to mind blast. see what happens?

lay a couple more traps (3x LS + 2x WOF for best stun), switch back to MB, switch to Unsummon. see what happens? if your opponent is moving around (and stays within mini-map range, if they go out of mini-map range, they'll break your namelock), your traps will follow them.

namelocking is the cause of MANY accusations of AA & hax.

as for the BvC idea, i have to ask: how's your ping? if your "standard" ping is ~80'ish, then yes, you can make a BvC work for you. my ping is ~250 and i just can't pk with a bvc. bvc's are VERY ping dependent (and hard to master).

Also, would anything else work with the namelock on sin besides unsummon? That adds an extra hotkey, which is allrdy hard enough to remember.

[Omnicide]

You could use throw, too...but it would really play the same purpose...plus I'm not sure if throw makes you move compared to unsummon as I've never tried using it.

[2.0]

Whats RMB? <_<

[theOG22093]

Whats RMB? <_<

Right-click/Right Mouse Button.

[2.0]

Right-click/Right Mouse Button.
Ah, k.

I was right then. :P

[mephiztophelez]

You could use throw, too...but it would really play the same purpose...plus I'm not sure if throw makes you move compared to unsummon as I've never tried using it.

you can use Throw, Town Portal (provided you don't actually have any tp scrolls with you), Unsummon and possibly a couple of others. it's just a "dummy" action to assign to the rmb, the net effect being: you hold a namelock, and nothing else.

[Omnicide]

Hah...you already had throw listed, sorry about that. I figured you could use any of the "non attack/cast" "skills" along with it.

I swear I must be a total noob to not be able to do this lol.

[2.0]

Eh, I have a hard time with it as well. Not so much unsummon locking, but chain locking is difficult.

[mephiztophelez]

but chain locking is difficult.
aha, chainlocking is an art.

when you telebomb someone, you break your own namelock. thankfully, if you centre your mouse before tele'ing, you can quickly reacquire your target once you land, ready to set up another namelock sequence.

[Omnicide]

Ah....I was wondering how you'd keep the lock.

[theOG22093]

Ah....I was wondering how you'd keep the lock.

Same. I tryed practicing on bryant while his cold sorc kinda moves around a little, but it's really hard. I accidently CL'd him like 5times in a row once though lol, it was gangsta.
I have problems with doing it more than once. It's very simple to do it once, but I keep over doing it. I'll unsummon to get that namelock, then tele and accidently hit the tele more than once and tele off of the target.
To CL you have to redo the namelock? If so, I'd have to unsummon/tele/then unsummon again?

[mephiztophelez]

once you've telebombed someone, i'd be thinking of an ATTACK right now. namelock, telebomb, attack. yup, sounds like the way is should go.

how we chain it depends. smiters will left click the target or shift click and hope, sorks might right-click to just west of south. hammys: shift+hammer. etc. well, whie doing that, try and mouse over them and get a new lock. if they escape, hey, you have a lock.

heres another exercise best used with a LMB melee attack (smite, zeal, kicks, not ww): have a friend stand 2/3 the way up the screen. left click & hold (walk towards them to wallop), when ur halfway there have them start to run away, while still holding down the lmb: tap teleport (on rmb). see what happens (hint: centre your mouse!). also works if you LMB namelock someone with, for example, fireballs.

[theOG22093]

once you've telebombed someone, i'd be thinking of an ATTACK right now. namelock, telebomb, attack. yup, sounds like the way is should go.

how we chain it depends. smiters will left click the target or shift click and hope, sorks might right-click to just west of south. hammys: shift+hammer. etc. well, whie doing that, try and mouse over them and get a new lock. if they escape, hey, you have a lock.

heres another exercise best used with a LMB melee attack (smite, zeal, kicks, not ww): have a friend stand 2/3 the way up the screen. left click & hold (walk towards them to wallop), when ur halfway there have them start to run away, while still holding down the lmb: tap teleport (on rmb). see what happens (hint: centre your mouse!). also works if you LMB namelock someone with, for example, fireballs.


Did you just wake up? :D
The last part was kind of confusing. Can you re-word it so I can better understand what you were getting at? I really really really appreciate all the help you've given dood, thanks.

[Omnicide]

once you've telebombed someone, i'd be thinking of an ATTACK right now. namelock, telebomb, attack. yup, sounds like the way is should go.

how we chain it depends. smiters will left click the target or shift click and hope, sorks might right-click to just west of south. hammys: shift+hammer. etc. well, whie doing that, try and mouse over them and get a new lock. if they escape, hey, you have a lock.

heres another exercise best used with a LMB melee attack (smite, zeal, kicks, not ww): have a friend stand 2/3 the way up the screen. left click & hold (walk towards them to wallop), when ur halfway there have them start to run away, while still holding down the lmb: tap teleport (on rmb). see what happens (hint: centre your mouse!). also works if you LMB namelock someone with, for example, fireballs.That one sounds like something I could do. I watched Camden's video and found that throw on LMB helped me more than on RMB. So I currently use throw to get the lock, click tele on RMB and then attack with zerk or WW. With that walking way I could use zerk and tele to them. I never thought to center my mouse afterwards because I've been working on the habit to be able to switch to attack while I'm teleing on them.

@Josh...It's pretty simple to understand.

1) Use a non WW LMB (preferably an attack that makes you walk) to walk towards them for a lock. Hold it.
2) As they run away, while holding LMB, click RMB tele.
3) Make sure your mouse cursor is centered and attack to get another namelock.

[theOG22093]

That one sounds like something I could do. I watched Camden's video and found that throw on LMB helped me more than on RMB. So I currently use throw to get the lock, click tele on RMB and then attack with zerk or WW. With that walking way I could use zerk and tele to them. I never thought to center my mouse afterwards because I've been working on the habit to be able to switch to attack while I'm teleing on them.

@Josh...It's pretty simple to understand.

1) Use a non WW LMB (preferably an attack that makes you walk) to walk towards them for a lock. Hold it.
2) As they run away, while holding LMB, click RMB tele.
3) Make sure your mouse cursor is centered and attack to get another namelock.

Lol. I missed the LMB at first, thanks Omni.

[mephiztophelez]

i figured most of this out by just playing with random mouse-click's and seeing what happened.