WW Baba Help.

[theOG22093]

Hey everyone. Going to make a WW Baba, and I plan on using Max Block with a Storm Sheild.
I have the following gear so far:

Arreats 200ED
1014 Mp Nigma
37/393 GriefZ
Um'd Storm Sheild
Angelics Amulet
2x Angelics Rings
1x Ravenfrost
Verdungos 15DR
T-Gods 170ED
Treks
Gores
Blood Fist
2x Matching WC Sticks
19/16 Btorch
16/13 Annihlus

Few Questions:
A. What weapon would be best, and if you would recommend stash weapons, which do I need? I was thinking EBotDZ would be the best option with SS.
B. What stash amulets/rings do I need?
C. What gloves do I need.(Don't say Dracul's, because I consider Tap BM.)
D. I was thinking of buying some stash BO Gear, for Baal runs/prebuff, what's the recommended set-up?

Thanks, Josh.
Name for me Baba: Apothecary_Baba
Rate it 1-5 :D.
Btw, the Ghost Sin is finally done, hit me up if you want Private PKs.
Anotherchance@USWest/NL.

[Omnicide]

Hm...I'm somewhat confused. You have SS, but you're using Enigma...an armor you'd normally use against casters. I guess before I can answer, I want to know what your goals for the barb are, what type of WW barb you're going for and what you can afford.

I guess until then I'll answer the questions and comment on the gear you have listed.

You don't really need Bloodfist since off-weapon IAS doesn't effect WW. Only on-weapon IAS does. I can maybe see it for the FHR, but you can get that elsewhere...and 48% should be plenty. Hell...I don't even get to 48. Treks? For what reason? Gores should pretty much be glued to your barb.

A) Depends on your life. Grief would be the most damaging, but BotD helps with the str/dex for block. It's really a tough call, but if you don't need the stats, I'd go Grief.
B) Angelic ammy/2x rings, of course. Highlord's and 2x Ravens...and in place of Highlord's you can also use Metalgrid if you need res for something non-light and need the AR more. But you'll lose the DS potential that Highlord's offers.
C) Dracul's are the number one WW barb glove options. Items with proc'ing skills like Dracul's chance to cast Life Tap don't work with WW. In other words, you can use Drac's and not be BM, unless you were to use Conc on them until LT was cast, then you can WW and heal from damaging your enemy. As long as you WW, you have no risk of Tap being cast.
D) Prebuff is BM...and it's useless considering what you could be putting in your stash.

[dainbramage]

Err, is this meant to be a bvb or a bvc?

BvB - Arreats, fort archon/sacred, grief, ss, dracs*, full angelics, gores, verdungo's.

BvC - Arreats/coa, enigma, grief/beast, dracs/trangs/bfists as needed, highlords, ravenfrost/blood ring/angelics as needed, gores, verdungos/sorb belt/arach as needed.


A BvA is essentially a bvb with an enigma and some fcr gear in the stash.

For your questions:


A. GRIEF GRIEF GRIEF GRIEF GRIEF GRIEF GRIEF GRIEF GRIEF. Calculate your hp and damage with botd, then with grief. The damage on grief far outweighs the 60 extra stats you get from a botd.

B. Depends on what role you want to play. The main attraction of blood rings (excessive stats) are mostly wasted if you want to go against casters as well as wear a fort (as you'll be wearing angelics with fort).

C. Dracs and trangs. The asterisk on dracs earlier means that I realised you said no dracs, but you evidently don't realise that WW doesn't proc any CtC on striking effects (what do work are cs/ds, CB, OW, Hit freezes target +x, and no-one can be bothered testing hcmtf/hbt as of the last time people actually worried about whether they worked).

D. If you want to maximise bo, get stuff with lots of +bo, and you'll want to fal things. Demon limb is the standard prebuff enchant stick. You should be set for baal runs, just remember to berserk if there are OK's around.



Finally, that name gets a 1.2. Mine's named precession (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precession).

[Omnicide]

I came up with about a 900 damage difference (pure damage, not accounting for CS or DS) and about 550 life difference. As in Grief doing 900 more and BotD having 550 more life from stats. After all the penalties that 900 damage only comes out to about 75 more damage after PvP and DR. ._.;

It's basically life vs damage. I just happen to go for 550 more life because it's 550 more life to inflict some damage.

Ah...the neverending disagreement.

[dainbramage]

not accounting for CS or DS
Account for it, then re-do the maths.

[Omnicide]

1900 damage more than BotD with CS and DS calculated, but I never figured how you could do average damage when dealing with a chance to do double damage.

I still value life over a little more damage. I'm just a stickler for 6k+ life on my barbs.

[saracen85]

C. What gloves do I need.(Don't say Dracul's, because I consider Tap BM.)

considering that this is a ww barb, you won't be casting any... but the ow is a welcomed addition =)

[dainbramage]

I get 7495 vs 5492. I was using perfect non-sup for each, and +111 max damage from charms (37* 3 max).

60*4*2.31 + 30*4 = 674 hp. <--- level 33 bo


Now, grief deals 36.4% more damage than botd. for botd to win, it will need to add more than 36.4% hp to what you'd otherwise have. That means that botd will be better overall if your barb, using grief, has 1848hp or less, otherwise grief is superior. A pvp barb will typically have at least 5k. I'll let you make your own conclusions.

Grief's -25% target def skews the contest more in grief's favour, also.



Where average damage is concerned with crits, directly multiply. use the whole [1- (1-cs)(1-ds)] thing to figure out your chance to crit (49.3% with grief, gores and level 27 mastery), add 1, then multiply with your average damage. So, 5085*1.493=7495

If you want a sort of real life explanation, that's counting the total damage after x hits, and then dividing through by x for average damage per hit. For a true average, x needs to be infinity, or else a multiple of your crit fraction with the expected spread of crits/non-crits also gives the same answer.

I.e. if we have a 50% chance to crit, and make 20 hits, 10 of which crit (as expected), and we deal 1k without crit, then we deal 10*2*1k + 10*1k = 30k damage, divided by 20 hits gives 1.5k average damage.




EDIT: Typo

[Omnicide]

I'm not arguing that BotD does more damage than Grief, anyone that knows barbs knows that. But BotD DOES increase the life total, regardless of if it can make up for lack of damage compared to Grief or not. That's all I get at. Life=BotD. Damage=Grief. I'll never say either is necessarily better because everyone has a use for something.

Personally, I never account for CS/DS because you're not guaranteed when you'll get those hits. I simply consider them bonus damage because you have no direct control over them, even though it's obvious you have a higher chance of bringing in a CS/DS hit from Grief.

And that -25% enemy def. Is it or isn't it sort of lowered as far as PvP goes and does it only apply to base defense? If so...what huge impact can that have? I used to have a barb based on -x% def and it just didn't work out...eh...testbed build.

[dainbramage]

By the same logic, I wouldn't bother with block or a respectable defence rating, and when calculating damage I'd only ever use the very minimum damage that is available.



-target defence is halved, so grief's goes to -12.5% target defence.

What difference does it make...? Your opponent's defence goes from 24k to 21k. If you have 25k attack rating, it's a 51% chance to hit vs a 54.3% chance to hit.



Note that I said botd increases life. By 674 hp, in fact, using the cookie-cutter bvb build. It's just that the extra damage on grief far outweighs any life boon that botd has to offer.
That means that botd will be better overall if your barb, using grief, has 1848hp or less, otherwise grief is superior.

[Omnicide]

Heh, point taken, but if I was worried about CS/DS so much I'd just slap on a Death Cleaver+Lo/Gores and be done with it for that guaranteed hit.

Ugh...that's why I hate that -25% defense...always looks more useful than it is. Even though I suppose a 3% larger chance of hitting is better than nothing.

Yeah and I sort of get that logic dealing with the life. I guess I was basing it more on the fact that Grief doesn't give any life at all compared to BotD.

I still don't think BotD is THAT bad a choice. Everyone just seems to bash it because Grief does more damage.

Poor BotD. ):

[theOG22093]

Ok, this is meant to be a BvA.
Does that help?
And sorry not real big with barbs, didn't know the Life Tap on Dracs don't apply to WW.

[Omnicide]

Hm then you'd do what dain said, pretty much get BvB gear with Enigma/Trangs/Arach's to switch in for a faster tele to get the drop on casters.

[theOG22093]

Ok, all I need is a Fort( preferrably Dusk) and Dracs.
Anyone have these for trade?
Btw, thanks to a few ULs:
Apothecary_Baba-83
AoaA_Oasis-88
Going to shoot for 90 on both.

[dainbramage]

Err, you want a superior (the %ed doesn't matter all too much, obviously more is better, no dura is better than dura when it comes down to $$ per durability unless you're using rals) archon plate... dusk = lol defence.


You should be able to equip a coa with enigma. If you're going to build in strength from ss/beast, then you'll want fals in your bo sticks.

[theOG22093]

Not gonna get a CoA, I gave my legit one to Jordan for a hella gfg deal on his part, for 1x 12fhr shadow GC, :D

[hiya-warrior]

try and get a +5 bo (HAS TO BE RED LOL) with some life imo

[Omnicide]

Err, you want a superior (the %ed doesn't matter all too much, obviously more is better, no dura is better than dura when it comes down to $$ per durability unless you're using rals) archon plate... dusk = lol defence.


You should be able to equip a coa with enigma. If you're going to build in strength from ss/beast, then you'll want fals in your bo sticks.I always thought the defense from Dusk wasn't TOO far off from AP, but that durability problem is a serious bother. Also...I thought you couldn't socket throwable weapons. O_o;

Not gonna get a CoA, I gave my legit one to Jordan for a hella gfg deal on his part, for 1x 12fhr shadow GC, :DYou'll need CoA when going against windies and smiters, unless you plan on putting on your SS for those...then you're cutting down on your damage.

try and get a +5 bo (HAS TO BE RED LOL) with some life imoGuessing helm? Prebuff isn't really needed with barbs...it's a slight improvement getting 140% more life compared to 131%. ._.;

[theOG22093]

I always thought the defense from Dusk wasn't TOO far off from AP, but that durability problem is a serious bother. Also...I thought you could socket throwable weapons. O_o;

You'll need CoA when going against windies and smiters, unless you plan on putting on your SS for those...then you're cutting down on your damage.

Guessing helm? Prebuff isn't really needed with barbs...it's a slight improvement getting 140% more life compared to 131%. ._.;

What I really meant for the BO gear was for in PvM games/Team Duels.
Thanks for all the help guys, in about 10 Minutes my Ghost Sin Build will be up. Enjoy.

[Omnicide]

Eh...the only thing that can outdo a BvA's BO is a BvC BO and a Warcry barb's BO.

Eh...other than that...anyone would be glad to have a higher BO than that given by CtA.

[mephiztophelez]

I still don't think BotD is THAT bad a choice. Everyone just seems to bash it because Grief does more damage.

Poor BotD. ):

the main "problem" with an ebotd is the wildly varying damage range. sure, a high-end hit with an ebotd is a phearsome amount of damage. at the other end of the scale, i've been hit by an ebotd bvb and the life-replenish on my angelics had actually healed me up to full again by the time i moved my cursor over my lifeball to check how much damage i'd taken.

add in the 20% deadly strike on a Grief and you should see why ebotd just blows.

I still value life over a little more damage. I'm just a stickler for 6k+ life on my barbs.

huh?

my bvb has 5.8k life. i built for forty and max-block with SS (so no huge enigma str bonus) and have a lvl 33 BO.

and we're not talking "a little more damage", we're talking vast, copious amounts of extra damage.

Note that I said botd increases life. By 674 hp, in fact, using the cookie-cutter bvb build. It's just that the extra damage on grief far outweighs any life boon that botd has to offer.
/vouch
damage is king in BvB. all the life in the world won't help you if your opponent is dishing out double or even treble your average damage.

go and duel GodsDestruction or xLu_Bux or barb_noob (all of whom are titan built bvb's, so 4k life and HUGE damage) and tell me i'm wrong.

Name for me Baba: Apothecary_Baba
Rate it 1-5 :D.

it's a BvA. so, you'll pwn straight BvC's and have an easier time against bow'a'zons than a BvC would.

you will get slaughtered by proper BvB's.

i'll rate it once i've duelled it. if you can go 5-2 or better against me, i'll give it a 5.

Demon limb is the standard prebuff enchant stick.
any kind of prebuffing, is considered BM in BvB.
the only time i ever wish i had a demon-limb on my barb is when duelling high-def smiters. one of these days i might whack a widowmaker on mah barb for duels vs the ever-present hammerdins.

[Omnicide]

the main "problem" with an ebotd is the wildly varying damage range. sure, a high-end hit with an ebotd is a phearsome amount of damage. at the other end of the scale, i've been hit by an ebotd bvb and the life-replenish on my angelics had actually healed me up to full again by the time i moved my cursor over my lifeball to check how much damage i'd taken.

add in the 20% deadly strike on a Grief and you should see why ebotd just blows.Damagewise...yeah. The fact that Grief doesn't have much variance in damage, at all, is what makes it so attractive, even without the DS.

huh?

my bvb has 5.8k life. i built for forty and max-block with SS (so no huge enigma str bonus) and have a lvl 33 BO.I'm building around masteries rather than 3/xx/xxs. With Grief I'd definitely use 3/xx/xxs though, so I settled my own life problem with Grief.

/vouch
damage is king in BvB. all the life in the world won't help you if your opponent is dishing out double your average damage.

go and duel GodsDestruction or xLu_Bux or barb_noob (all of whom are titan built bvb's, so 4k life and HUGE damage) and tell me i'm wrong.Heh...I still refuse to agree with that logic that "damage is king". There's too many factors that can affect it. Yes, their damage is huge, but they have to be lacking in something more than life. Either their AR is lower than normal or defense is lower or anything of the sort. I dunno...that's just someplace I stand on dueling. There's a lot more to it than damage.

any kind of prebuffing, is considered BM in BvB.
the only time i ever wish i had a demon-limb on my barb is when duelling high-def smiters. one of these days i might whack a widowmaker on mah barb for duels vs the ever-present hammerdins.I figured prebuffing ANYTHING was BM, period. ._.; And your reason for wanting Limb is the same reason I have one. It's just for those smiters. I still lack the Widowmaker...and still wish I could get it, but I haven't seen too many defensive hdins lately, which is when Widow is useable, if I remember.

[theOG22093]

Eh...the only thing that can outdo a BvA's BO is a BvC BO and a Warcry barb's BO.

Eh...other than that...anyone would be glad to have a higher BO than that given by CtA.

Ok, thanks for all the help Omni.
Check out the guide please, :D.

[mephiztophelez]

I'm building around masteries rather than 3/xx/xxs. With Grief I'd definitely use 3/xx/xxs though, so I settled my own life problem with Grief.

masteries charms can work a treat with a Grief too. i can introduce you to a 40k def barb that uses full masteries GC's (NEW_YORK).

I know of ONE half decent ebotd using bvb on west nl (Stalin). last i heard, he's contemplating a grief rebuild.

gg bvb weapons come in three varieties:

Grief
Fury
theoretical insane, super godly rare cruel/fools/eth-repair/2sox jobbies. usually socketed with an Eth + Lo or Um

Heh...I still refuse to agree with that logic that "damage is king". There's too many factors that can affect it. Yes, their damage is huge, but they have to be lacking in something more than life. Either their AR is lower than normal or defense is lower or anything of the sort. I dunno...that's just someplace I stand on dueling. There's a lot more to it than damage.

nope.

their defense is still in the 30k+ range, ar is still at ~20k. it's life they lack as a sacrifice for massive damage.

Guillaumes bvb's tend to have some AR issues (unless they have some nice 130/45 gc's), but their extra 15% DS can more than make up for it. 08 Arreats barbs lack a little in the AR department, until they hit you once, and start shredding your defense (-% target defense/hit). they make up for it with the huge +max/lvl on an 08 arreats.

mind you, an OW rig can work wonders against titan barbs.

I still lack the Widowmaker...and still wish I could get it, but I haven't seen too many defensive hdins lately, which is when Widow is useable, if I remember.
i think i have a spare one somewhere.

wug?

[Omnicide]

masteries charms can work a treat with a Grief too. i can introduce you to a 40k def barb that uses full masteries GC's (NEW_YORK).Eh I came out with like 5.2k or so life when I was using Masteries, that's why I went 3/xx/xxs for the life increase. I'm running a 40k def barb as it is (or will be once I level more). I'm using the same combo. It just bothers me how far the life drops with Grief and if it's worth keeping the masteries while using Grief. I mean if I go 3/xx/xxs then I still get like 5.6-5.8k life but my def drops to like 35k, and 1k less AR and all the other masteries bonuses.

I know of ONE half decent ebotd using bvb on west nl (Stalin). last i heard, he's contemplating a grief rebuild.I have to admit, I've been contemplating the rebuild, too. I'm just having the above internal debate with myself, is all.

gg bvb weapons come in three varieties:

Grief
Fury
theoretical insane, super godly rare cruel/fools/eth-repair/2sox jobbies. usually socketed with an Eth + Lo or UmYeah...all damage, all OW or the crazy mixed rare.

nope.

their defense is still in the 30k+ range, ar is still at ~20k. it's life they lack as a sacrifice for massive damage.Yeah...I forgot with all the strength they can wear the tough armors. Now...the 20k AR...this is pure Angelics and max block? O_o; I can only manage 18k or so. 24-25k with the Hsarus combo.

Guillaumes bvb's tend to have some AR issues (unless they have some nice 130/45 gc's), but their extra 15% DS can more than make up for it. 08 Arreats barbs lack a little in the AR department, until they hit you once, and start shredding your defense (-% target defense/hit). they make up for it with the huge +max/lvl on an 08 arreats.I came way into .09 (late .09/early .10) so I have no idea what an 08 Arreats has going for it. People told me it was a lot better than today's Arreats. -% defense per hit and max level is a killer though. ._.;; That's almost broken.

mind you, an OW rig can work wonders against titan barbs.Annnnnnd...there goes my thinking that titans might be able to take anything. >_>

And don't worry about the Widow...I'm still kind of fighting with space as it is. Until I straighten everything out with what I need/don't need I can't really take on more gear lol. Besides...I don't have anything really godly beyond what I have for the barb. An Arach's and some things people gave me when I came to West.

[mephiztophelez]

Yeah...I forgot with all the strength they can wear the tough armors.
most of the top bvb's on west NL (including me) use a 2454 defence zbug fort archon plate. there are still a few sacred fort barbs about (who still do very well).

sacred forty barbs tend to hit very hard.

I came way into .09 (late .09/early .10) so I have no idea what an 08 Arreats has going for it. People told me it was a lot better than today's Arreats. -% defense per hit and max level is a killer though. ._.;; That's almost broken.
especially when they socky a 30max jool in it........

Annnnnnd...there goes my thinking that titans might be able to take anything. >_>
titan builds are pure bvb's. they will get wtfpwnt by most anything else.

that said, i wipe the moor with titan builds on a regular basis. but when their max damage kicks in, you know you've ben hit.

i'd be building for swords if i ever made a titan barb. a gg grief CS, min damage jools in hat & ss.

And don't worry about the Widow...I'm still kind of fighting with space as it is.
'kay.

i doubt i'll trade it anytime soon, so if you change your mind.....

[theOG22093]

Eh I came out with like 5.2k or so life when I was using Masteries, that's why I went 3/xx/xxs for the life increase. I'm running a 40k def barb as it is (or will be once I level more). I'm using the same combo. It just bothers me how far the life drops with Grief and if it's worth keeping the masteries while using Grief. I mean if I go 3/xx/xxs then I still get like 5.6-5.8k life but my def drops to like 35k, and 1k less AR and all the other masteries bonuses.

I have to admit, I've been contemplating the rebuild, too. I'm just having the above internal debate with myself, is all.

Yeah...all damage, all OW or the crazy mixed rare.

Yeah...I forgot with all the strength they can wear the tough armors. Now...the 20k AR...this is pure Angelics and max block? O_o; I can only manage 18k or so. 24-25k with the Hsarus combo.

I came way into .09 (late .09/early .10) so I have no idea what an 08 Arreats has going for it. People told me it was a lot better than today's Arreats. -% defense per hit and max level is a killer though. ._.;; That's almost broken.

Annnnnnd...there goes my thinking that titans might be able to take anything. >_>

And don't worry about the Widow...I'm still kind of fighting with space as it is. Until I straighten everything out with what I need/don't need I can't really take on more gear lol. Besides...I don't have anything really godly beyond what I have for the barb. An Arach's and some things people gave me when I came to West.

I might have some donations to help you finish your barbie. Gotta see, gimme a week or so, and PM me about it.

[Omnicide]

most of the top bvb's on west NL (including me) use a 2454 defence zbug fort archon plate. there are still a few sacred fort barbs about (who still do very well).

sacred forty barbs tend to hit very hard.I'd probably go Ebug for the extra def. I try to make forts on ladder just in case. >_>

especially when they socky a 30max jool in it........It's just not fair. ._.; I should have started in 08. D: That -% target defense per hit is what sells me. >_>;

titan builds are pure bvb's. they will get wtfpwnt by most anything else.

that said, i wipe the moor with titan builds on a regular basis. but when their max damage kicks in, you know you've ben hit.Even if you happened to stack enough against the elements? Granted...the lack of life is a huge hit...I'm just trying to think of a way to make it still work lol. You wipe the moor with titan builds as a caster or a BvB? o;

i'd be building for swords if i ever made a titan barb. a gg grief CS, min damage jools in hat & ss.But with a CS you wouldn't hit the top breakpoint. ._.; (Guessing Colossus Sword)


'kay.

i doubt i'll trade it anytime soon, so if you change your mind.....Alright then. I'll let you know if I ever have free space for it.

And thanks, you and dain both taught me a bunch so far.

[mephiztophelez]

Even if you happened to stack enough against the elements? Granted...the lack of life is a huge hit...I'm just trying to think of a way to make it still work lol. You wipe the moor with titan builds as a caster or a BvB? o;.
as a bvb.

casters wtfpwn titans. think about it, how well would a BvC fare with 4k life and only a base-point invested into Leap?

not terribly well.

But with a CS you wouldn't hit the top breakpoint. ._.; (Guessing Colossus Sword)
a roll of 39ias is required to hit the 4 frame ww bp.

which is why top end grief colly swords are so very very rare.

[theOG22093]

Ya, you definetly don't see them often. Matter of fact, I don't think I've ever seen a Grief Colossus Sword.

[mephiztophelez]

Ya, you definetly don't see them often. Matter of fact, I don't think I've ever seen a Grief Colossus Sword.

well, given that a Beast is the preffered second wep for BvC's, most peeps make their Grief's in a Zerker axe.

a grief CS is almost purely a bvb weapon.

[theOG22093]

Ok, well I'm not really a Barb fanatic. :)

[Omnicide]

as a bvb.

casters wtfpwn titans. think about it, how well would a BvC fare with 4k life and only a base-point invested into Leap?

not terribly well.Eh...I guess I'm still trying to make a barb that really could hold its own against almost anything. >_>; I live in a dream world. D: And I have base point and still manage 16 yards...max is like...18 or so?

a roll of 39ias is required to hit the 4 frame ww bp.

which is why top end grief colly swords are so very very rare.I know why I'm so confused now. Colossus Blade is what you're planning on using. I took you literally with Colossus Sword. >_>;

[mephiztophelez]

Eh...I guess I'm still trying to make a barb that really could hold its own against almost anything. >_>; I live in a dream world. D: And I have base point and still manage 16 yards...max is like...18 or so?
a well built, properly played BvC is what your after. their only truly "impossible duel" is against a dedicated BvB.

I know why I'm so confused now. Colossus Blade is what you're planning on using. I took you literally with Colossus Sword. >_>;
meh, one of the two anyway.

[Omnicide]

a well built, properly played BvC is what your after. their only truly "impossible duel" is against a dedicated BvB.But I don't like having a glaring weakness. D: Plus I'm not one to go "brb" and get a character that has an obvious advantage. xD


meh, one of the two anyway.Lol. You don't know how long I spent on a speed calculator trying to figure out how you did it with a CS. >_>;

[mephiztophelez]

But I don't like having a glaring weakness. D:
weeeelll, given that very few top-end BvB's go into pub games (we're all hiding in our secret ggbvb game), i don't see it as a major deficit.

however: a BvC is one of the hardest characters to master. if you have a dodgy ping or connex, don't even bother.

my "usual" ping is ~250'ish. i cannot get a bvc to work for me on the realms (in a Lan game however.... muwahahahaah!)

[Omnicide]

Yeah I learned that from crimson on USEast that BvBs tend to be in private games. I guess I just hate having my *** handed to me. ;P

Yeah...I know they are. I'm still utterly failing at the leap/tele/ww combo. I just can't get the switch timed right.

*cough* Mine bounces from 50ish to 180ish on a "normal" day. There's spikes at somewhat rare times.

[mephiztophelez]

Yeah...I know they are. I'm still utterly failing at the leap/tele/ww combo. I just can't get the switch timed right.
aye, that takes a fair bit of practice. did i mention a BvC is one o the hardest characters to master?

perhaps think of throwing a couple of b-combat GC's in your inventory to increase your leap radius?

another little trick is to have Unsummon hotkeyed to RMB. if you make a big leap over the top of people, you can use the time in the air to get an RMB namelock with unsummon. switch to tele when you land and voila, you're on top of them.

as for tri-whirling, i find it easiest to do a little figure eight pattern in the centre of my screen with the figure-8 canted about 45 degrees clockwise.

[Omnicide]

aye, that takes a fair bit of practice. did i mention a BvC is one o the hardest characters to master?You...might have said that, I'm not sure. ;P

perhaps think of throwing a couple of b-combat GC's in your inventory to increase your leap radius?Eh, I'd need a lot more than a couple to go from 16 to 18 yards, wouldn't I? Isn't there a huge gap in between those two? But...I suppose I could get to 16.6 with that many.

another little trick is to have Unsummon hotkeyed to RMB. if you make a big leap over the top of people, you can use the time in the air to get an RMB namelock with unsummon. switch to tele when you land and voila, you're on top of them.I thought someone said it was better not to do anything while you were doing that leap in the air. Bah to them! I actually thought of doing what you said before I heard that. >_>;

as for tri-whirling, i find it easiest to do a little figure eight pattern in the centre of my screen with the figure-8 canted about 45 degrees clockwise.Kind of like doing two tri-whirls. I'm guessing you mean for practice though, since it doesn't make much sense against a single character. O_o; Overspending on mana for the same result.

[theOG22093]

Currently ISO a few things to finish up my BvA:
Ap or Dusk Fort
BeastZ
AR/Life/Max charms( small/large/grand IDC)

[Omnicide]

I might have a mixed selection of GCs. We'll check it out tomorrow.

I finally checked out a pic of an 08 Arreats...and it only lists -15% target defense. Is that total or per hit? O_o;

[mephiztophelez]

I finally checked out a pic of an 08 Arreats...and it only lists -15% target defense. Is that total or per hit? O_o;

-15% of TOTAL Defense PER hit.

get hit once, your def is 15% less, get hit twice, 30% less, seven hits, your either dead or have no defense.

the +max/level mod is also pretty damn godly.

[Omnicide]

What the hell? ._.;

Does it work the same way for Grief or is it an Arreats only thing?

Either way, that shreds an idea I had. >_>;

[GcGX]

This is what my WW baba wears (pls take note he's ancient and is the old dmg build)

Eth Arreats zod'd
AP Enigma
Angelic ammy/rings (highlords and ravens stashed)
Verdungos belt
Steelrend gloves
Gore Rider boots
Ebotdz (Beastz Stashed)
40/15 max SS
7x Masteries gc's
1x Combat gc
1x Warcry gc
anni/torch
5% fhr sc's
3 to warcry bosticks on switch

Best weapon combo I tried out recently was Ebotdz + Griefz but Ebotdz with SS is still my favorite.

[Omnicide]

Ehhh....that build is laughable. ._.; Plus 25% OW>60% ED.

[GcGX]

Ehhh....that build is laughable. ._.; Plus 25% OW>60% ED.

If you had read, it's an account I made years ago. Also dracs pvp are usually bm because of LT. So the 10% CB and 60 ed in exchange for BM and 25% OW isn't that bad. Wonder why most barbs and others pvping atm only commend me with such a "laughable" build that's probably 2 years old.

[mephiztophelez]

Ehhh....that build is laughable. ._.; Plus 25% OW>60% ED.
rends are still a good glove in pvp. plenty of top-end barbs use em.
If you had read, it's an account I made years ago. Also dracs pvp are usually bm because of LT.
since when has 'tap triggered from whirlwind?

[Omnicide]

Eh...I've never had much use for 60% ED much anymore, and I kind of like to have a somewhat decent source of OW. Best of both worlds, you might say. o;

[GcGX]

since when has 'tap triggered from whirlwind?

Never said LT goes off during ww, and it can't. But I have used single attacks with my barb, and they then can go off. Many times barbs will ask to go 1 v 1 like that.