practicality of pnb?

[Kakashi Hatake]

i just finshed goofing with my skill calculator and hero editor trying to decide if i want a pnb necro b/c ive only ever made a bone spear necro with pitiful gear so that didnt tell me anything.....but even when i faceted a 6os wep, 4os arm/sheild, 2os helm, threw in trang gloves, arach, 2x soj, maras, anni, torch and filled the rest of my inventory with pnb gcs.....the dmg was very little. 9-10k dmg over 2 secs on psn nova doesnt seem very good to me at all, and bone spear/spirit wer e pathetic in dmg but might be a little plausable if you have the right fcr so.....of course i had faceted gear on instead of plus skills so i take that back for now about the bone skills.....but is a poison necro even worth it givin all the immunes?

[saracen85]

poison necro. immunes? iirc only 2 types of monsters are non-breakable in the whole game.

9-10k nova damage is bad? what world are you living in?

you do know that lower resists complements poison skills right?

my trang's poison summoner easily walked (literally) thru hell mainly at /players 8.

[Omnicide]

Yeah...a lot of people don't realize Lower Res lowers poison res/breaks immunities.

9-10k poison isn't bad by a long shot...especially over 2 seconds. Think about it...that's 4.5-5k per second. Compliment that with the Lower Res and the damage increases even more. Plus there's the sheer fact you can recast Poison Nova instead of hoping you hit for it to settle. I'm not so sure if you can stack the poison on a monster, but if you can, someone tell me.

[saracen85]

the poison won't stack. just reset. so, even if you can spam poison nova, practically it has a 2 second timer.

[Omnicide]

Ah that's what it was, alright.

[Kakashi Hatake]

i took the lower resist into consideration along with an infinity merc.....i just dont know if im patient enough for one of these builds but im going to give it a try lol....what monsters cant be immune broken? and are facets better than +skill gear?

poison necro. immunes? iirc only 2 types of monsters are non-breakable in the whole game.

9-10k nova damage is bad? what world are you living in?

you do know that lower resists complements poison skills right?

my trang's poison summoner easily walked (literally) thru hell mainly at /players 8.

what was ur gear?

btw i forgot to mention that none of my psn facets are perfect

[Omnicide]

Conviction only lowers fire/lightning/cold res...it does nothing for poison. Patient? 5k in a second requires patience? What are you on? Poison necros still kill at an amazing pace.

As for +poison damage or +skills...if you have editor you can make two necros and figure that out?

[Kakashi Hatake]

i just used the skill planner again. with the gear i plan on using i will have 26 all skill if i fill my inventory with pnb gcs, or 24 al skills if i use poison dagger instead of hoto.
with 26 all skills my psn skills end up looking like this

pd- 71.5k-72.5k over 27 secs
poison explosion-158.5k-163.5k over 27 secs
poison nova-11.5k-11.6k over 2 secs

(some numbers are rounded)

so i guess that makes plus skills better as far as raw dmg, but with my facets, i get -52 to enemy resistance....and they arent even perfect

[Omnicide]

I'm not sure, but I don't think the -res from facets is applied to monsters with immunity. At least it doesn't work that way with cold mastery. I always found -res confusing as far as what did and didn't break immunities.

Also...why would you use a poison dagger on a Nova necro? Most poison necros use Poison Nova.

[saracen85]

my gear;

full trang's gear (socketed with facets)
+2 necro skills safety ammy
2x soj
marrowwalk
dweb (socketed with facet), aokl (switch)
8x pnb skillers in inventory

note that none of my facets are perfect.

as you can see, this is pretty high end. knowing bnet, it could only get higher. even when i took out a couple of gear (giving me less +skills), it still kills well.

imo the most important part of my gear is the -poison resists from the 3 piece trangs shield combo. this allow me to deal more damage especially those monsters whose immunity is broken. having the dweb is purely luxury =)

as for monsters that can't have their immunities broken, there are only two that i can recall. one is the gloam-type or ghosts.. iirc they always have poison and lightning immunities. the other is the second last baal wave.

[Kakashi Hatake]

nvr said it was a nova necro, its going to be a pure poison necro that utilizes all 3....or atleast dagger and nova. btw there might be an extra skill or 2 depending on the sheild i use, i cant remember the exact stats of homonuculus.....
any ideas what i should use to make my iron golem out of?

my gear will be as follows

shako
maras
coh
2x soj
trang gloves
homonuculus
hoto/spineripper poignard
arach
9x pnb gcs
anni
torch
idk what boots

ill socket what i can and add a facet

i find resistance confusing as well, you lost me in another thread when started talking aobut integers

b4 i forget, thanxxs to both of you

[Omnicide]

imo the most important part of my gear is the -poison resists from the 3 piece trangs shield combo. this allow me to deal more damage especially those monsters whose immunity is broken. having the dweb is purely luxury =)Yes but does the -poison res from those break immunity or do they only play a part after the immunity is broken? Just in case someone needs to know that they'll absolutely need Lower Resist to break them.

nvr said it was a nova necro, its going to be a pure poison necro that utilizes all 3....or atleast dagger and nova. btw there might be an extra skill or 2 depending on the sheild i use, i cant remember the exact stats of homonuculus.....
any ideas what i should use to make my iron golem out of?Well if that's the case, why not have a poison dagger setup on one side and your poison nova setup on the other? As far as golems go...I go specific types. Fire when against fire....iron golem when against melee...and clay for everything else. The gear looks ok, if you do use a poison dagger on one and nova on switch, I recommend fleshripper since the OW will help out a lot when coupled with the poison damage.

Saracen's setup looks good though, so use what you can from that. The -poison res potential is great.

[saracen85]

if you intend to utilise all 3 poison skills, nothing comes close to blackborg's sharp dagger. huge +skills bonuses to all 3 poison skills.

and i recommend switching out your belt and shield to trang's set. the 3 piece bonus is extremely helpful.

as for iron golem, nothing goes wrong with a cb setup ie ik maul, bonesnap etc. or use something with a high elemental damage to complement the lower resist curse that you'll be casting.

Yes but does the -poison res from those break immunity or do they only play a part after the immunity is broken? Just in case someone needs to know that they'll absolutely need Lower Resist to break them.


it'll play an important part after immunity is broken. just like most -enemy resists. having to face monsters with 50resists is always better than 95..

and it affecting non-immunes or other poison resistant monsters is just as great =)

[Omnicide]

That's what I hated about -resistances...they don't help break immunities at all, pretty much making it impossible for any pure element without Lower Res or Conviction.

I still say a great combo is OW+poison. >_> Especially since OW is level based and doesn't get resisted, plus it just fits the theme of bleeding enemies to death like poison.

And I always forget about CB items for Iron Golems. >_>;

[Kakashi Hatake]

im thinking of making my golem out of a harmony bow, it give 150 cold, light and fire dmg plus vigor and a couple other things.

i dont have blackborgs

im going to have hoto/homonuculus on 1 wepon setep
spineripper/homonuculus on the other

im using arach for the fcr/mana/+skill

the skills i get from homonuculus add substanstial dmg to my nova and dagger which i think out weighs a little -resistance but ill give trang a try anyway

[Omnicide]

Spineripper really doesn't add much...1 skill...but Blackbog's or Fleshripper can far outdo it.

And -res goes a long way. ._.;

[Kakashi Hatake]

i agree with you on all of those, but i dont have the other 2 daggers, and plus skills are a personal preference :P
i am going to give the trang a try though

[HiTS]

The good thing about trang's is that you can run in, poison dagger the enemy, then pull back and firewall/fireball/meteor them to your hearts content knowing that your merc and summoned will, usually, keep them busy. You can use the same technique with nova too. The big drawback is that it is quite heavy on the mana.

[Kakashi Hatake]

thats why i would prefer to go my original route, more fcr, more mana, more +skills

[Omnicide]

Eh, I give up.

He'll do what he wants.

[Kakashi Hatake]

lol you seem frusturated. did ya miss the part where i said id give your suggestions a try

[Omnicide]

It's more the "Well this is a good choice, but I'm going to do my way." deal that gets to me.

It always bothered me when giving advice.

[Kakashi Hatake]

i never said that omni, i trust you guys to give me great advice, so im going to give it a shot. im just saying that since ive never made a successful pnb necro im going to try both...anyway goodnight

[saracen85]

u can't make a harmony golem.

[Taurean]

u can't make a harmony golem.

Why? It isn`t an amazon only runeword afaik

[Kakashi Hatake]

ive made a faith golem, why cant i make a harmony one? ive even used an exile for an iron golem

[saracen85]

you can't make IRON golems out of bows or other non-metal gear.

[Omnicide]

*isn't an expert on Iron Golems since he refuses to make them out of runewords and such*