werebear vs wolf

[necro4life]

what u think mates
wolf or werebear
i vote bear (as im a fireclaws)


txt back and leave a vote 2 bear or wolf



wolf-0
bear-1
:o
my fire claws 3frames with 7500 dmg with 5k life
if u got a wolf and want 2 put the contest 2 the test
BRING IT

ow yh if ya wanna quest or duel im on non ladder europe

[saracen85]

fyi you can't get 3frame attack with an fc bear. fastest is 4frame. what calculator you using?

[necro4life]

phase blade 6 sox
laying of hands
crafted belt 10percent increased speed
jalals mane wid jewel 15 ias
stormshield with jewel 15 ias
yes i can
imusin a calculater i found on this assa guide

[Omnicide]

Use this (http://diablo2.ingame.de/tips/calcs/weaponspeed.php?lang=english) speed calculator. It's more trustworthy and is actually right.

Fastest Fire Claws can get is 4 frames...period.

[Oilerfan]

wolf 5.8k fury 60k rabies 8.6k life gogo

[Omnicide]

He's Europe NL. >_>;

[Oilerfan]

He's Europe NL. >_>;

Just posting my opinion on bear vs wolf.

[theOG22093]

Vouch Jordan's powning the fur off that FC....and his 3frame attack.
You don't do much damage, and you don't have much life.
I allready posted a link to a good FC Bear guide in your FC bear guide thread, check it out and remake. In no way am I teasing you, just trying to give advice.
Edited, I probably like bear a little more, theres less of them :D
bear-2
wolf-0

[2.0]

wolf 5.8k fury 60k rabies 8.6k life gogo
Doesn't Porky's bear stomp all over your wolf though?

[Omnicide]

Just posting my opinion on bear vs wolf.Oh, I figured the "gogo" was meant for a duel. o;

I go wolf. That IAS helps more than the def the bear gives. Then again...I use shout for my defense needs. :>

<3 Wolfhowl.

[dainbramage]

Use this (http://diablo2.ingame.de/tips/calcs/weaponspeed.php?lang=english) speed calculator. It's more trustworthy and is actually right.

Fastest Fire Claws can get is 4 frames...period.

The german is wrong for wereform attacks. Use this one (http://home.comcast.net/~thedragoon/wereformadvanced.html), accurate for everything bar feral rage and the sin in werebear.


Unless someone wants to get around to translating titanseal's into english?

[SarG3]

phase blade 6 sox
laying of hands
crafted belt 10percent increased speed
jalals mane wid jewel 15 ias
stormshield with jewel 15 ias
yes i can
imusin a calculater i found on this assa guide

IAS only works for druids on their weaps only...not their armor..(just like barbs)

[saracen85]

IAS only works for druids on their weaps only...not their armor..(just like barbs)

not necessarily true for bears nor wolves. although it plays a more important role..

and not true for barbs either. (only ww is purely weapon dependent)

[Omnicide]

The german is wrong for wereform attacks. Use this one (http://home.comcast.net/~thedragoon/wereformadvanced.html), accurate for everything bar feral rage and the sin in werebear.


Unless someone wants to get around to translating titanseal's into english?Heh...a bit harder to understand, but it gets the point across. They both came out to 4 frames though. O_o;


IAS only works for druids on their weaps only...not their armor..(just like barbs)What saracen said. Only WW ignores the IAS from non-weapon sources. Almost every other skill uses it.

[2.0]

IAS only works for druids on their weaps only...not their armor..(just like barbs)
Just fury works that way.

[saracen85]

Just fury works that way.

actually, having low level werewolf, non-weapon ias improves fury attack speed.

[theOG22093]

Oh, I figured the "gogo" was meant for a duel. o;

I go wolf. That IAS helps more than the def the bear gives. Then again...I use shout for my defense needs. :>

<3 Wolfhowl.

bear-2
wolf-1

[Omnicide]

Oiler and DA=2 more for wolf.

Bear-2
Wolf-3

[SarG3]

not necessarily true for bears nor wolves. although it plays a more important role..

and not true for barbs either. (only ww is purely weapon dependent)

Really? Nice I didnt know that...That changes everything for the rare barb build I plan on making O_O


Oh and I choose wolf.

[Omnicide]

Really? Nice I didnt know that...That changes everything for the rare barb build I plan on making O_OGib details?


Oh and I choose wolf.Bear-2
Wolf-4

[Kakashi Hatake]

i figure you grab a wep that ignors defense and go rabies on the bear, the wolf would win

bear 2
wolf 5

[Omnicide]

Ignore Target Defense doesn't work in PvP, or to a lowered degree. It doesn't ignore like people think.

[Kakashi Hatake]

oh, goood to know....wait that sux lol

[Omnicide]

Wait ITD doesn't work for PvP at all.

-Defense% is what's lowered in PVP.

[Kakashi Hatake]

either way, dueling would be alot more difficult if itd worked in pvp

[Omnicide]

Every melee build would be running around with Grief and AR wouldn't even matter, nor would defense.

Glass cannons all around.

[dainbramage]

Notes on on-weapon vs off-weapon IAS.

Most of us know that most attacks in the game have speed caps implemented - why kicks can't get faster than 3 frames, or arrows can't get faster than 7.

Diminishing returns don't apply to on-weapon IAS in wereform, which allows them to get so fast. There are also no speed caps, allowing silly speeds (wereform attacks can hit 3 fpa on non-rollback attacks, the fastest non wereform is 7 fpa).

At very low IAS levels, there isn't that much difference between on- and off- weapon IAS... but not using much IAS also completely defeats the purpose of wereform IMO.



Bear 2
Wolf 6

[Omnicide]

An insightful lesson AND adding to the right cause, only dain can do something like that. o;

[Dlav123]

wolf for me i love rabies and fury

so
bear:2
wolf:7

[Vile]

Bear: 2
Wolf: 8

Wolves are just overall cooler ^^

[theOG22093]

Gfg, 2-8, we getting stumped lol.
300th post, woot.

[hiya-warrior]

wolf.

[dainbramage]

You left out 2-9.

[Robofiend]

Wolf ftw. i wish i made mine right