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rconnor
03-22-2008, 10:10 PM
I was looking to make a hammerdin with 1 pt smite to do Ubers with. I will be using conc instead of fant so I had some questions about the gear when smiting. Heres the gear I was thinking of with a couple questions. Any feedback or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Weapon: Grief
-I think grief pb cuz I'll need the ias that I'm missing from not having fant and damage will be nice with only lvl 1 smite. I know last wish is a good option but the extra ias in grief is good for me.

Helm: Guillaume's Face (w/ 15% ias 15% resist)
-since no last wish I'll need the CB here, the ias jewel is to help hit last break point. With ~35% ias grief pb, how much ias do I need to hit the 6 frame break point?

Armour: COH
-from what I can see this seems like a good fit, I'll need the resist so enigma might be hard

Shield: Exile, HOZ, Phoenix???
-This is really where I have questions. I've heard life tap is a must but I would be using Drac's but would just using dracs cast enough or would I need exile too? Also, would the %ED and max fire resist from phoenix be more helpful than HOZ?

Gloves: Drac's (or laying of hands w/ exile?)
-If I'm not using exile than dracs is a must but if I have exile would that be enough life tap? If so, is laying of hands a good choice---does %dmg against demons affect Ubers? and would laying of hands, 35% ias grief pb and 15% ias jewel in guil's be enough to get last break point?

Boots: Gore
-using grief means I will need the cb

Ammy: Mara's (or Highlord if I need ias)
-I'd love to use mara's but I may need highlord's for ias. Or I guess I could go trading for a ias/resis rare ammy

Rings: Raven for 1 and Dwarf, Wisp, Ias/resis ring
-Which absorb is more useful, lite or fire? I'll need the raven for cold and can not be frozen.

Belt: Dungo's
-not sure about this one...but most people seem to say dungo's

Does this build look good? I'm mainly worried about what shield to wear and how to hit the last attack speed break point. I am thinking I'll need to use salvation when fighting meph. Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks in advance

Hesserone
06-03-2008, 04:56 PM
Not really for sure. I haven't made on yet. You will need 200 res to have 75 res when meph comes. If you can get that you wont have to use salvation.

That gear basically looks like a smiter. Would you be switching for hdin? Using conc you will probably need to find more IAS too probably.

Omnicide
06-03-2008, 06:25 PM
Even though this is late, I can give some info on this, as it seems you're using the exact build I'm using.

Weapon: Grief
-I think grief pb cuz I'll need the ias that I'm missing from not having fant and damage will be nice with only lvl 1 smite. I know last wish is a good option but the extra ias in grief is good for me.You'll need at least 35 IAS on a PB if you plan to use a 15%IAS/15 res jewel in HoZ (what I socketed it with so I could use Mara's). If you plan on sticking with highlord's you should be set on the IAS side.

Helm: Guillaume's Face (w/ 15% ias 15% resist)
-since no last wish I'll need the CB here, the ias jewel is to help hit last break point. With ~35% ias grief pb, how much ias do I need to hit the 6 frame break point?Exactly what I use. And I explained how much IAS you'd need (aside from the Jewel'd Guill's and GriefPB)

Armour: COH
-from what I can see this seems like a good fit, I'll need the resist so enigma might be hardI say use Enigma for hammering though, as it obviously helps. For Ubers, COH is a must, I agree.

Shield: Exile, HOZ, Phoenix???
-This is really where I have questions. I've heard life tap is a must but I would be using Drac's but would just using dracs cast enough or would I need exile too? Also, would the %ED and max fire resist from phoenix be more helpful than HOZ?You should be fine with just Dracs. That's all I've been using and they work fine. I say HoZ because you'll get more res (especially if you use the IAS/Res jewel), and helps in the damage department at the same time. Phoenix only goes one way and Exile is really if you have no other source of LT or need defense...which you shouldn't in Ubers.

Gloves: Drac's (or laying of hands w/ exile?)
-If I'm not using exile than dracs is a must but if I have exile would that be enough life tap? If so, is laying of hands a good choice---does %dmg against demons affect Ubers? and would laying of hands, 35% ias grief pb and 15% ias jewel in guil's be enough to get last break point?I say Drac's/HoZ is a better combination than Laying of Hands/Exile. The damage to demons doesn't work for smite so you can ignore that. The IAS you can get from Highlord's (if your Grief is 30 IAS) or the ias jewel (if it's 35 IAS Grief).

Boots: Gore
-using grief means I will need the cbTrue.

Ammy: Mara's (or Highlord if I need ias)
-I'd love to use mara's but I may need highlord's for ias. Or I guess I could go trading for a ias/resis rare ammyAlready covered this. IAS/Res jewel your Hoz if your Grief's IAS is high enough, then you can use Mara's. Other than that you're stuck with Highlord's.

Rings: Raven for 1 and Dwarf, Wisp, Ias/resis ring
-Which absorb is more useful, lite or fire? I'll need the raven for cold and can not be frozen.I use Raven and Dwarf only because I have Tgods on, but Wisp would work for you, too. As long as you have cold and lightning covered, things should be alright. I'm just anal on having every element taken care of.

Belt: Dungo's
-not sure about this one...but most people seem to say dungo'sLike I said...Tgods or dungos would be fine. If you're using a Wisp, I'd head more for the dungos.

Does this build look good? I'm mainly worried about what shield to wear and how to hit the last attack speed break point. I am thinking I'll need to use salvation when fighting meph. Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks in advanceAs long as you have Highlord's (or the ias jewel, given enough IAS on Grief) you should be fine as far as the breakpoint no matter what aura you use. It's pretty solid as is, I just thought I'd throw in what I find useful, too.

Just for the hell of it...here's what my hdin/smiter uses.

Hdin mode: (Bare minimum FCR and decent damage)

Shako (PTopaz)
Enigma BP
HoZ (IAS/Res)
Hoto
Mara's
2xSoJ
Arach's
Trang's gloves
Rare mf boots (25 mf...*shrugs*)
CtA/Lidless
Torch/anni/various life charms.

Smiter mode:

Guillaume's (IAS/Res jewel)
CoH
HoZ (IAS/Res jewel)
Grief PB (32 IAS...for 7 frame smite...but I do ok)
Mara's
Raven
Dwarf Star
TGod's
Drac's
Gores
CtA/Lidless
Same Torch/Anni/life charms.

September 28, 1987
06-03-2008, 09:17 PM
I've done it once with almost regular hammerdin gear.

Guillames
Maras
Last Wish Pb
Enigma
Spirit
Trangs
Wisp
Dwarf
Tgods
Waterwalks.

Ever other time I've tried, I haven't been able to kill. I don't die but I don't enough damage to kill Meph. I get him to || life no problem then I can't land the final hit.

Omnicide
06-03-2008, 09:25 PM
Heh...might be the pure smite damage is too low. That's all I can really think, but even that should be enough to take care of Meph.

September 28, 1987
06-03-2008, 09:30 PM
Yeah, my damage is terrible.

Just trying to get at that even minor tweaks should be able to get the job done.

I'm not a fan of Last Wish but it gives me fade and life tap in one so I don't have to transfer all this gear over just to try and kill.

Omnicide
06-03-2008, 09:46 PM
Yeah, I can see the usefulness of LW as far as that goes. If I didn't need the IAS, I'd go for it, too.