Is Diablo 2 "father" of all RPGs?

[Tyrael]

Hello guys,
I've been wondering if the latest RPGs are actually Diablo 2 rip off-s, including World of Warcraft. I would like to know what you think.

[Wallenberg]

No Diablo The Orginal is. The father of the online-games. ;)

[LukkySe7en]

I don't know...As far as online gaming and MMOs go Diablo is probably an immediate relative of the father of online gaming if not the father itself...

However, RPGs as we know it have been molded into what they are by any number of old school platform and turn based RPGs dating all the way back to NES...Final Fantasy I, Dragon Warrior I, The original Zelda, Breath of Fire I...and so the list continues.

[DG.Havok]

Hmm, I wonder if anyone here is old enough to have played (or even know) the original Ultima or Dungeons and Dragons??

Those two are probably older than half the people on this forum. I know its older than me by about 2 years I think.

[Belhemel]

I dont feel that WoW is a ripoff of Diablo because the original Warcraft came out two years before the original Diablo. So to answer your question definitely not. There are so many more older games that are still being looked at to build upon future rpg's that there is no way you can say all the recent games stem from Diablo. I have to say though HG is definitely very much like Diablo.

[3lite]

Hey and welcome!

[SkEpTiKaL]

I dont feel that WoW is a ripoff of Diablo because the original Warcraft came out two years before the original Diablo.

It's true that the characters and places are from Warcraft, but Diablo is an RPG and Warcraft was an RTS if I'm not mistaken.

So to answer your question definitely not. There are so many more older games that are still being looked at to build upon future rpg's that there is no way you can say all the recent games stem from Diablo. I have to say though HG is definitely very much like Diablo.

Agreed.

[dieuglydie]

Hmm, I wonder if anyone here is old enough to have played (or even know) the original Ultima or Dungeons and Dragons??

Those two are probably older than half the people on this forum. I know its older than me by about 2 years I think.

screw you for making me feel old. I still have my 512k amstrad that my dad bought when I was in kindergarten. The first game he bought for it was DnD.

[LukkySe7en]

I dont feel that WoW is a ripoff of Diablo because the original Warcraft came out two years before the original Diablo.
Diablo though is an MMORPG. Where as the original Warcraft was, as stated above an RTS...there is almost no comparison.


So to answer your question definitely not. There are so many more older games that are still being looked at to build upon future rpg's that there is no way you can say all the recent games stem from Diablo. I have to say though HG is definitely very much like Diablo.

There is however, a difference between Turn Based RPGs, such as Final Fantasy or Suikoden series'. And there is a difference between single player, puzzle style RPG's or "Player Beware" style RPG's like DnD or Myst. Diablo, on the other hand, was (correct me if I'm wrong) One of the original ONLINE RPGs where interaction with other players was possible...making it one of the fathers of the MMO world.

Is WoW a rip-off of Diablo? Probably not...and extension or an upgrade of the original system designed by Diablo? Yes.

Diablo is, and in my opinion, always will be the platform that MMOs will try to duplicate, there aren't many games that are as timeless as Diablo II, with as much recurrent playability.

[Pigeon Poop]

I don't know...As far as online gaming and MMOs go Diablo is probably an immediate relative of the father of online gaming if not the father itself...

However, RPGs as we know it have been molded into what they are by any number of old school platform and turn based RPGs dating all the way back to NES...Final Fantasy I, Dragon Warrior I, The original Zelda, Breath of Fire I...and so the list continues.


Very well put.

As we all know, or should know, Gary Gygax is the true father of the RPG. He is the guy that created Dungeons and Dragons which all RPGs are based.

Zelda, Final Fantasy, D2 and WoW are just derivitaves of the same theme. D2 and WoW just seem to be the most popular at the moment. How many Final Fantasy freaks are here? Back in those days the same argument could have been made for that game. It was huge, although, I never cared for it.

I wouln't say WoW is a ripoff of D2, it is just another way of playing the same game. Just as Doom3 is the same as the original Doom. It's just prettier and requires a huge machine to run. It's still point and shoot.

Welcome to the forum.

[DG.Havok]

Well this link is an interesting read somewhat. I stumbled upon it while looking something up about Ultima.

And this is in terms of MMORPGs. I guess it could be argued whether Diablo is a true MMORPG because of its limited interaction between players (up to 8 per game whereas in an MMORPG you supposedly can interact with a limitless amount of people at one time, and no I don't think chatrooms count as real interaction) but seems that Ultima Online took a lot of the credit for developing the MMORPG genre.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=24647

and

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultima_Online

[Skullcaptain]

*answer directly to the title*

In my opinion it's not Father to the RPGs. It's just providing the basis of what a RPG should have. Kudos to Blizzard Entertainment. :)

[Pigeon Poop]

It isn't necessarily the father, nor did it create the revolution of mmorpg. It did, however, establish a seamless interface with the RPG. no more turn based play. The game engines ability to load different areas instantly made the game playable and brought people into the genre who, otherwise wouldn't bother with RPGs.

It also isn't so much a role player as much as Everquest and Ultima. There, players immerse themselves into their characters and establish identies for themselves. In D2, the theme is more based on 'how good can I make my character'. Not to mention, it's free to play online. There is also a science to the game that no other game has duplicated.

Although not the father, it certainly has raised the bar for online gaming. I would think that was Blizzards thinking into creating WoW. D2 was so successful, yet free, they may have had to rethink their business plan and come up with a way to make money. Include the playability of D2, make it online only and charge players 15 clams per month, and, lest we forget, enlist the help of Mr. T to sell the product.

We should all be thankfull for WoW. Without it, the D2 servers wouldn't be what they are today.

[Sophist]

Diablo though is an MMORPG. Where as the original Warcraft was, as stated above an RTS...there is almost no comparison.


Diablo is not MMO, nor is Diablo II.

[N V]

How many Final Fantasy freaks are here?

i count 1!

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[brom]

yes it is the grandfather of all good online rpg games.