Vita Bowas.

[Ayliffe]

K Dain, before you flame me, read. :)



So i was duelin in some private games, and this guy brought in his bowazon. (it was 4v4 duels) of course i assumed it to be a gc build, so i whirled once and got the **** out of there and continued leaping on my bvc. But... it didnt die. So i asked him about it... blah blah blah blah anyways, it was a vita zon. His dmg was over 5k and he had 4k life with his own bo.. this with dodge, dr and res sounds pretty ****ing tank to me, and it sure as hell worked really well. If this is the case, why does everyone make glass cannon zons, when you can get a bit less dmg but 4k more life...

Opinions?


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heres an s/s.

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n91/spartikis/cscreen-1.jpg

[Zarley]

because in solo duels, you need the points in DEX for damage. In 4v4, when you've got party members to supply off-weapon ED (a hammerdin running maxed Concentration, druid with big HoW, whatever) you might not need your DEX points for off-weapon ED nearly as much.

What bow was he using, and who were his party members?

[Ayliffe]

I dueled him 1v1 aswell, he was very good and much better then any gc zon ive dueled.

He uses a perf faith GMB. Mind you his inventory is incredible.

[Dlav123]

lifers?I think he uses some nice lifers in that inventory

[torchohanger]

I have a vita bowa, who sadly is only level 80 or so. she does about 4.3k more or less..

she uses a gmb faith, um'd perf shak, gores, tgods, and other goodies, she has like 2k life atm, and is a perfect chaos runner

[Ayliffe]

lifers?I think he uses some nice lifers in that inventory

He was using all Small Charms. Mostly 3/15+/20's and some 20/5's aswell as a perf anni and z torch.

[Taurean]

xD

[Ayliffe]

*Stars in eyes*

*_*

I don't know what this means, but it sounds promiscuously ***.

[dainbramage]

It looks like that build has almost zero frw - using full life sc's is the only way to achieve nearly that much life.

You should be able to catch the zon easily, and once you do keeping a whirl on the zon's head should be no problem for a bvc. Re-reading, in a 1v1 duel just keep a big fat whirl ontop of the zon's head, she'll be too dodgelocked/stunlocked to have a chance of getting any serious damage of to kill you. From the ss, the zon has an 8-frame attack. With 4 hit-checks of your own to the bowies one, and say a 60% chance to dodge, there's a 2.56% chance of her NOT dodging at least once. Factor in a successful hit putting her into FHR (assuming your damage is up to scratch), and once you've started whirling the zon the match should be sealed, same as against a glass cannon.

If she had max block on switch and was a bow/jav hybrid, then she'd be a dueller to be wary of.

Vita bowies do have far more credibility in team duels, where melees/hdin can cover them, and chars like hdins can pump serious damage into them without max dex.

What I'd consider much more dangerous is 9k IGA's coming from a zon who can easily run out of a whirl, if I manage to find the zon through her desynch. Most zons you find in pubs (vita or glass cannon) will stand still and spam. This is NOT how a glass cannon should be played (obviously) which might be why the zon was harder than the glass cannons you've been against.

[Ayliffe]

I'm not saying it wasn't easy to beat this zon, It lasted longer than alot of the GC zons i've faced, some of them are very good. I see what you mean though dain, i do believe he had many frw/ar/max sc's though. he seemed to be moving quite fast... and yes, he was desyncing.

[Henrik]

Nice life But damage ill guess thats not a option For a vita bower

[®@þþ3¬]

The bow and the arrows should switch place! What are you, a leftie?

[Ayliffe]

The bow and the arrows should switch place! What are you, a leftie?

Lol, its not my zon, but i agree, the bows on the wrong side lol.

[brom]

that is a lot of charms. i could never have that many. i pick up way to many stuff!

[Ayliffe]

Well this is a PvP build, so nothing gets picked up, although im sure you could use it perfectly fine for PvM

[Taurean]

I don't know what this means, but it sounds promiscuously ***.

Don`t know what that means either, i just meant that looks godly.

[Unknown654]

hmm it seems to me that this bowa was probly modding. its hard for me to believe that this bowa was legit with the gear i see. and you said she was desynching? it all seems very suspisious to me.

[mephiztophelez]

bowa'zons really shine in team duels when they have team-mates to give them some cover and provide extra aura's etc for damage. they can command a HUGE area of the battlefield.

a vit bowa is a team-pk build and will probably get wtfpwnt in a 1v1. their damage and FRW just aren't up to snuff.

looking at that screenshot, i'm with Dain. if that zon was desynching, they are using TMC. if that zon hit 7fpa, they are using tmc.

one of the best bowa'zons i've ever faced in a team duel used a Windforce. with their team-mates fanat aura, they used a windforce at 7fpa.

7fpa windforce = mucho ouch'os

[eschutaz]

As i've said before, gc bowas are FAIL, vita > dex anytime, anywhere (in pvp) and I've only met 1 barb so far that could win against me without a doom, (with doom maybe 3-4 won) both in 1v1 and 4v4 a vita bowa is ... better.

[Veneteaou]

Well, maybe it's because your alternate-reality vitabowies can't use Poison Damage and CS, but here in the real world the scenario where Vita > GC is few and far between.

[2.0]

A bowa even with vita isn't going to have enough life to take many hits. It's sort of a pointless sacrifice of damage.

[Veneteaou]

Exactly.

[dainbramage]

As i've said before, gc bowas are FAIL, vita > dex anytime, anywhere (in pvp) and I've only met 1 barb so far that could win against me without a doom, (with doom maybe 3-4 won) both in 1v1 and 4v4 a vita bowa is ... better.

Once you start taking hits, you will die. Regardless of whether you're vita or glass cannon.

[eschutaz]

A bowa even with vita isn't going to have enough life to take many hits. It's sort of a pointless sacrifice of damage.

Wrong, with 50% dmg reduce, 75% block and 69% block chance + a 5.5k throwing dmg from javelins, you will die, no matter how much you spam GA at me. Trust me. If you say gc > vita you have only duelled public crap amas.

[2.0]

Wrong, with 50% dmg reduce, 75% block and 69% block chance + a 5.5k throwing dmg from javelins, you will die, no matter how much you spam GA at me. Trust me. If you say gc > vita you have only duelled public crap amas.
I'm pretty sure we're talking about Bowas, not Javazons.

Nice job changing the type of zon to fit your vita idea, though.

[Omnicide]

Nah...they have jav setup on switch. It was mentioned in that other vitality in bowas thread.

Evenso...if I can take out FCers with high dodge/block...a bowa wouldn't be that hard. I'd like to see where the 50% DR comes from. SS+?.

Also...if you want to talk about crap pubs...barbs with tele don't have much a problem vs bowas...or they shouldn't if they're good.

[2.0]

Nah...they have jav setup on switch. It was mentioned in that other vitality in bowas thread.

Evenso...if I can take out FCers with high dodge/block...a bowa wouldn't be that hard. I'd like to see where the 50% DR comes from. SS+?.

Also...if you want to talk about crap pubs...barbs with tele don't have much a problem vs bowas...or they shouldn't if they're good.
Ah, my bad then.

[Omnicide]

I'm guessing this person doesn't face many barbs that triwhirl zons. Triwhirl=constant FHR/dodge/blocking on the zon's part.

Have fun with that.

[Veneteaou]

A nobody just told Dainbramage to get in some real duels? God this place is great.


Note to everybody here: don't argue with Dain. I would only do it if I knew I was right, and that only applies to me because I know my math and mechanics. Glass cannon builds are the only way to PvP one-on-one, mostly because Mat Faith + Vitality = needing 8-10+ hits to drop a decent build. Say one word about GMB Faith even being able to hold its own and I will embarrass you into not posting anymore.

[dainbramage]

<3

[Omnicide]

A nobody just told Dainbramage to get in some real duels? God this place is great.Indeed...can I watch? o;


Note to everybody here: don't argue with Dain. I would only do it if I knew I was right, and that only applies to me because I know my math and mechanics. Glass cannon builds are the only way to PvP one-on-one, mostly because Mat Faith + Vitality = needing 8-10+ hits to drop a decent build. Say one word about GMB Faith even being able to hold its own and I will embarrass you into not posting anymore.But it's kind of fun to defend BotD because I know how much he hates it. >_>;

[eschutaz]

A nobody just told Dainbramage to get in some real duels? God this place is great.


Note to everybody here: don't argue with Dain. I would only do it if I knew I was right, and that only applies to me because I know my math and mechanics. Glass cannon builds are the only way to PvP one-on-one, mostly because Mat Faith + Vitality = needing 8-10+ hits to drop a decent build. Say one word about GMB Faith even being able to hold its own and I will embarrass you into not posting anymore.

If dain is that great, why dont he show it then? So far he's said alot of bull**** imo.

Nah...they have jav setup on switch. It was mentioned in that other vitality in bowas thread.

Evenso...if I can take out FCers with high dodge/block...a bowa wouldn't be that hard. I'd like to see where the 50% DR comes from. SS+?.

Also...if you want to talk about crap pubs...barbs with tele don't have much a problem vs bowas...or they shouldn't if they're good.

FC'ers? If ppl even use FC, i'll just use BM absorbing, how fun is it, its like saying "try duel a bugged auradin" who gives a ****, we're talking about gm duels here.

And if any of you got a barb, i'd like to see that + your tri ww. Gl with that you say?

Cmon, show it to me please. Lets see if you can win.

Nah...they have jav setup on switch. It was mentioned in that other vitality in bowas thread.

Evenso...if I can take out FCers with high dodge/block...a bowa wouldn't be that hard. I'd like to see where the 50% DR comes from. SS+?.

Also...if you want to talk about crap pubs...barbs with tele don't have much a problem vs bowas...or they shouldn't if they're good.

And that depends on your build.

If you use martriach/shadowbow and can move on with lower ias, then u nn nosferatus, and can go with verdungo instead.

Storm + verdungo = 50% dmg reduce

If you use GMB, you'd need the nosferatu to reach the 7 fpa ias bp, which means only 35% dmg reduce.

[Omnicide]

If dain is that great, why dont he show it then? So far he's said alot of bull**** imo.Hypocrite.

FC'ers? If ppl even use FC, i'll just use BM absorbing, how fun is it, its like saying "try duel a bugged auradin" who gives a ****, we're talking about gm duels here.I find FCers harder to hit than bowas. That's what I was going on. Nice fail though.

And if any of you got a barb, i'd like to see that + your tri ww. Gl with that you say?

Cmon, show it to me please. Lets see if you can win.We've been over this. We're all East/West. You're a Europe spawn...it's obvious why you feel how you do with duels. Europe isn't #1 for dueling. O_o;

You keep talking **** as well but you're sitting in the safety of Europe while we're on East/West. If there is going to be no duel...both sides should stfu, imo.

[eschutaz]

Hypocrite.

I find FCers harder to hit than bowas. That's what I was going on. Nice fail though.

We've been over this. We're all East/West. You're a Europe spawn...it's obvious why you feel how you do with duels. Europe isn't #1 for dueling. O_o;

You keep talking **** as well but you're sitting in the safety of Europe while we're on East/West. If there is going to be no duel...both sides should stfu, imo.

My bad about the FC. But its still a bad example, since all Fc'ers just stand still and click -_-

I still find it funny how you think that Gcs > vita, and doesnt really matter if its east/west/europe... unless you got bugged scs with 10 max dmg, vita would still > over there. Its just a shame that we cant duel each other, so I can prove you wrong, or vice versa.

[Omnicide]

The point was they had high dodge/block/DR. It's not a huge change to tele and do the same thing.

On East/West GC>Vita, more often than not.

[theOG22093]

The point was they had high dodge/block/DR. It's not a huge change to tele and do the same thing.

On East/West GC>Vita, more often than not.

Vouch, for PvP. I'm not really a fan of GC in PvM.

[Veneteaou]

I can't see why... A PvM bow build that is planning on getting hit is a weak build.

[dainbramage]

If dain is that great, why dont he show it then? So far he's said alot of bull**** imo.
I haven't done any serious HLD since 1.11. The few new runewords haven't changed much since I stopped, however.

And if any of you got a barb, i'd like to see that + your tri ww. Gl with that you say?

Cmon, show it to me please. Lets see if you can win.
The onus is on you, unless you're trying to bait the american players into playing a bvc with a ping of 300 on europe.