Amazon with a sword?

[SuperFresh]

is this possible?

if so wats the build?


plz help

[Jerdanis]

Passive tree + merc

[Nosferatu]

Its a terrible idea, people try to make "unique" guides like this all the time, they rarely work out.It's be really weak. But, if you want to try it, Passive/Merc would work fine. Maybe a Freeze Merc.

[Sophist]

Amazon's won't work with swords - you could use a dagger though. The block frames with most weapons are bugged with zons, so it will just never fly. Sorry to dash your hopes of a specifically sword amazon.

[saracen85]

Amazon's won't work with swords - you could use a dagger though. The block frames with most weapons are bugged with zons, so it will just never fly. Sorry to dash your hopes of a specifically sword amazon.

what they can't block, they avoid, dodge, evade.. so i don't see a reason why swords should deter you from making this build. heck, if you can't block fast, go 2-handed =)

[Sophist]

No, the blocking frames with a sword are messed up. It takes 1?2? seconds to complete the blocking animation. It just doesn't work. throw a sword/shield on an existing zon and go block something, you'll see.

[dainbramage]

It's not "messed up," the animvelocity is merely set to 48 iirc (as opposed to 256 for most) for 1h swinging weapons (all but daggers and javelins).

Block is checked after d/a/e, it's perfectly viable to make a sword zon and has been done a lot before. There's quite a lot of info about it at the AB, search for "jedizon" and look through the spearazon (includes all non bow/javelin variants) forum and archives.

[Sophist]

"It's not a bug, it's a feature!"

I still consider that messed up. Not necessarily unintended, but that's messed up and belongs in the "buggy" pile :)

[SkEpTiKaL]

Simply not enough skills (besides CS) to improve your damage with it. But if you'd like to try, tell us how it works out.

[Wallenberg]

The P/M three and the merc. You could try to do some melee-ama.

[Master Plan]

Just do a spearazon lol.

[kalenjder]

amazon with sword works.
i tested one with hero editor against hell meph.

maxed critical strike.
maxed penetrate.
maxed valkyrie.
maxed guided arrow. [for pvp]
rest into dogde.

gear:
head: a good helmet, i used guilams.
shield: i used a dream blade barrier.
sword: passion.
armor: COH
gloves: dracs
belt: hearty coil.
rings: raven frost and wisp projector
amulet: highlords wrath
boots: gore riders.

switch: CTA and spirit.

Edited: found out that pierce was missile thing:D

[Taurean]

Super cool!

How did the fight go? Can you take a few Screenshots and post them here?

[kalenjder]

i couldn't get any good photos can you tell me a good recording program so i can record the fight, the only thing that make sorcs good is the static skill. i think this char kills more. i think it`s a good uber char.

[kalenjder]

here, i made a movie of me killing meph with the zealer amazon.
i think this is a good diablo clone killer, because of the good critical strike.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIuU2mMU_RM

[Master Plan]

Again, wouldn't an amazon with all of the stats you listed AND with spear skills be better lol?

[kalenjder]

ye, but i think this char is better against bosses.

[Taurean]

Wow, i think the attack speed is quite slow, but maybe it`s just the video not showing the real attack speed.

But nice vid btw =D

[kalenjder]

thanks, i've never thougt about ama with sword but it's good, much critical strike and the attack speed good in my opinion. just see carefully at the movie you see that the sword are moving fast pga the zeal. but it isn't easy to see because youtube movies get bad graphic.:)

[Taurean]

I would imagine that.. Glad to hear it ^_^ Can you improve the +1 Zeal with + Skills items??

And i didn`t see you taking much dmg either!

[torchohanger]

What level was the hero edited zon in the video? Imo if it takes a full invent of 70 lifers and p/m gc's and it only does that much damage to hell meph, i wouldnt take the time to collect all the gear in the first place :/

[kalenjder]

it think she'll do it without all skillers and life sc, she is lvl 99:D
http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd27/kalenjder/Screenshot010.jpg

Taurean@ if you want you can give your email and i'll send the char so you can test it yourself.

[torchohanger]

Yeah but she was doing low damage to hell meph, unless she's a pure pvp, and if she is then i just can't read. But i wouldnt dedicate alot of time to getting expensive gear for a character that does meh damage

[skyeye]

Yeah but she was doing low damage to hell meph, unless she's a pure pvp, and if she is then i just can't read. But i wouldnt dedicate alot of time to getting expensive gear for a character that does meh damage

from what i understand she wasnt made for uber crushign power, if ya want that get a smiter. this as basicly a finnesse build, one that soemone once said can "walk across uber trist, get a glass of tea, carry it back on a platter, and go back to town and marvel that you only lost half your health".

[kalenjder]

ye but she is better that a melee sorc, my opinion is that this is a good char for someone who want's to test a new build.

[skyeye]

Ok i tried this out just buy dueling my friends chars in norm, and i swapped a bow out for a light saber and a store bought shield. i killed the chars easily. seems like a viable duelign build if you got good gear.

[kalenjder]

jupp, added points in guided arrow for pvp:)

[Tnf777]

Sounds interesting

[Taurean]

it think she'll do it without all skillers and life sc, she is lvl 99:D

Taurean@ if you want you can give your email and i'll send the char so you can test it yourself.

Thanks but i`m unable to play D2 atm, since i don`t have a viable internet connection, and this pc is not mine -.-

But cool SS btw. I was hoping for more dmg but you can`t have it all.. Maybe if you invest all left-over pts in Dex (+1% Dmg per pt spent) it might be doubled or something =)

[kalenjder]

ye i think i forgot to add much in dex:D
if you don't have any internett you can play single player, and join the single player forum:)

[skyeye]

is there any way to counter the slow shield blockign speed?

[sinisterfx859.com]

you sure they didn't just have a cta sword on switch for the bo?

[eschutaz]

You can have a 100% OW sword on switch...

you shoot 1 guided arrow and switch to sword... if u hit with the arrow they will get open wounds aswell...

pure melee amas sucks lol.

[Veneteaou]

Weapon switching will not affect what hits the target.

[theOG22093]

Wow, very nice idea. I might have to try this one day :D

[eschutaz]

Weapon switching will not affect what hits the target.

Are you saying that i'm wrong? ^^ or are you answering to someone else.

If i shoot 1 arrow and switch weapon before it hits the target (example : 100 OW) then yes... the arrow will get 100% ow.

[Veneteaou]

No it won't. The mods on the arrow are calculated at the time they are fired not when they strike.

If you don't believe me use a small bow with a BotD TMaul on switch and shoot at stuff. I guarantee that the bow will kill nothing.

[saracen85]

@eschutaz
i have to agree with veneteaou here. unless it's mf/gf, ow on switch sounds pretty ridiculous.

[cmlogu01]

well, amazon's don't have any special bonuses like a mastery or spell specific to swords, and they don't have an edge on the speed of swords. No offense, but this isn't that great of an idea. You can try it but I wouldn't count on it ending up a good guide.

[saracen85]

well, amazon's don't have any special bonuses like a mastery or spell specific to swords, and they don't have an edge on the speed of swords. No offense, but this isn't that great of an idea. You can try it but I wouldn't count on it ending up a good guide.

1. fortitude armor.

2. cb.

3. cs/ds.

4. ow.

5. passion runeword.

and if you're thinking about AR problems, i believe max penetrate and max inner sight are pretty much overkill.

[eschutaz]

@eschutaz
i have to agree with veneteaou here. unless it's mf/gf, ow on switch sounds pretty ridiculous.

"sounds"? you dont even know... get your facts straight.

I know it works 1000% sure. and i dont care about your d2 basics, cause I already know it works.

Im not saying its the best thing to have on switch, and theres better alternatives imo, but it works for sure. If you dont believe me try it urself, shoot an arrow with 0% ow and check for ow dmg (remove psn from inv), and try again but with switching to 100% ow sword... I can assure you it works.

[Veneteaou]

It hasn't worked since .09 Patch.

[dainbramage]

Because you're apparently implacable, I'm adding my weight to the lolnoitdoesn'twork side.

[eschutaz]

Because you're apparently implacable, I'm adding my weight to the lolnoitdoesn'twork side.

Then try it, please go ahead and try it the way I explained before. Jesus. And get your facts straight next time.

[saracen85]

Then try it, please go ahead and try it the way I explained before. Jesus. And get your facts straight next time.

http://www.mannm.org/d2library/faqtoids/ow_eng.html

take notice that OW must be delivered via an attack.

if you're saying that the site is wrong.. well, it is endorsed by RTB. so i have nothing left to say =)

[dainbramage]

Then try it, please go ahead and try it the way I explained before. Jesus. And get your facts straight next time.

Find me a source that says it does. Otherwise I'm inclined to believe librarian, RTB, adeyke, nefarius and pretty much everyone else who has done any code-reading or in-game testing since 1.10.

[Veneteaou]

Oh Dain, why can't you just blindly ignore teh facts like us normal people?

[eschutaz]

Find me a source that says it does. Otherwise I'm inclined to believe librarian, RTB, adeyke, nefarius and pretty much everyone else who has done any code-reading or in-game testing since 1.10.

Instead of reading so much, why dont you just do the simple -

take an ama, make a 100% ow sword, shoot 1 guided arrow and before it hits the enemy, change to the sword. See if the Ow work. and then try again without switching to the sword, and ofc u will see - no OW.

[eschutaz]

or if ur on europe softcore ladder, pm me, and i will show u in-game

[dainbramage]

Oh Dain, why can't you just blindly ignore teh facts like us normal people?
Becuz I'm atheist lololololol.




EDIT: This is the famous 'switch trick' with poison (generally used with tomb reaver/dweb for rabies or widow/grief for envenomed GA). However resistances, unlike damage mods, are calculated on striking. Damage mods are calculated upon firing, but rolled on striking. And no, I'm not EuSCL.

[Veneteaou]

Becuz I'm atheist lololololol.


That is so getting sigged at the BB.