Doom Q

[TheUniverse]

If you wear 2 dooms does the aura rang go up since lvl 24 altogether? And does the -cold res matter on the doom?

[saracen85]

yes.

[Omnicide]

Yes, but dual Dooms is incredibly BM. You won't be really respected if you plan on dueling.

[2.0]

Respect doesn't matter.

As long as you win. =o

[Omnicide]

Then he should just go to JSP with the rest of the "#1's".

[SarG3]

It stacks..But it wont affect the cast rate of casters :/

I know it isnt in your question but I just wanted to state that.

[2.0]

Theres only one #1, and thats me.

THATS RIGHT.

/spam

K, I'm done.

[Omnicide]

It stacks..But it wont affect the cast rate of casters :/

I know it isnt in your question but I just wanted to state that.Yeah...I remember that rumor being spread around. I don't even get how...I feel bad for those people that actually used Doom against casters.

[SarG3]

Yeah...I remember that rumor being spread around. I don't even get how...I feel bad for those people that actually used Doom against casters.

Yeah it kinda sucks. I used to think it would slow cast rates cause thats basicly what I thought made it great. But what good will it be if it doesnt slow their tele or attack. -.-

I still manage to kill bm casters with it...but I primarly use it to kill bm smiters in pub games.

[Omnicide]

That's pretty much what it's for.

Do you do the dual DoomZ on switch or just slap it on in place of Beast?

[2.0]

That's pretty much what it's for.

Do you do the dual DoomZ on switch or just slap it on in place of Beast?
He has it in place of beastz.

[Omnicide]

That makes more sense, I suppose.

I tried to make a BvC with dual DoomZ and...I didn't like the lack of strength compared to Fal'd WC weapons.

[SarG3]

That's pretty much what it's for.

Do you do the dual DoomZ on switch or just slap it on in place of Beast?

For BvC I use Ebotdz and Beastz cause my grief is horrible..-.- It has good damage but the freaking Increased attack speed is horrid. (34) Then with the reduction you get from WW (Which i dont know..If someone would tell that would be awsome) I cannot hit a damn thing with Griefz and Beastz which is funny cause its supposed to be the best combo.

But yeah I need a higher attack speed on a grief to hit something...My AR is good..that attack speed is just killing me. ._.

[saracen85]

34 ias is all you need in a berserker axe to reach the final ww breakpoint.

ie, there's nothing wrong with your grief for ww-ing. you are attacking at 2 frames.

and what do you mean reduction from ww?

[Omnicide]

...34 IAS is what you need on a zerker to hit the max IAS BP though. O_o;;

You should be fine.

[TheUniverse]

Ok so alot of ppl keep sayin fal'd WC, pardon my noobness but what is that....hehe

[Omnicide]

Warcry weapons with 1-2 sockets added with larzuk...then you socket them with Fals (+10 str) so that you can keep your gear on during switch...meaning less points into strength...meaning more life.

[TheUniverse]

So If i have 2 +3 warcry spear thingys and soket them with fal for + stregth I can BO with them and be able to use all my duel gear 4 the duration of my BO? Sorry if thats not right, i think im confused and trying to take in alot of info on each char lately =( thxs 4 the support though =)

[Raven]

No the throwing weapons cant be socketed grab some swords from larzuk

[Omnicide]

...you can't socket throwables. They have to be literal melee weapons.

Basically it's just to prevent say...your CoA or armor or anything from being "off" when you switch...and thus losing those +skills that could help your BO. Nothing confusing...just to boost your strength on switch to keep your gear on while you BO...then switch back.

[SarG3]

34 ias is all you need in a berserker axe to reach the final ww breakpoint.

ie, there's nothing wrong with your grief for ww-ing. you are attacking at 2 frames.

and what do you mean reduction from ww?

Really? I thought there was some reduction to WW in IAS..Might have just been rumored.

Also I didnt know 34IAS was the final break point. Then how come I cant hit anyone even with Beastz...I have 20k AR with both equipt..:P

[saracen85]

maybe they block? high defense?

[Omnicide]

Nope...the only thing dealing with WW is that if you're using two weapons during WW they both have to be at the top of their BPs for your WW to have the top IAS BP.

Say if you use Death/Beast (like I used to), your Beast can hit the final BP fine, but Death will slow it down.

And 20k AR on a BvC? That's a bit much, to me...dual Angelics and points into dex or what?

And most casters don't have a whole lot of defense so I'm confused. Unless it's a pally that switches to Defiance when a barb gets close.

[SarG3]

Well i rounded the AR its like 19k. something...but yeah duel angelics..and just the right amount of points into Dex.

I know its hard to hit a Smiter...But I mean like against some casters I cant hit them...Its really wierd. -.-

[Omnicide]

Hm...desynch?

Don't ask me how...I'm just pulling ideas.

[Barloc]

Not hitting as much would be due to inconsistant testing. You should try it a lil more. Especially since the lowest damage roll on greif is better then a perf ebotdz. '

Ill admit tho, I like the ebotdz + Beastz alot.

[TheUniverse]

Whats a good example of a wc weapon:rolleyes: thats good 2 socket?

[2.0]

Nope...the only thing dealing with WW is that if you're using two weapons during WW they both have to be at the top of their BPs for your WW to have the top IAS BP.

Say if you use Death/Beast (like I used to), your Beast can hit the final BP fine, but Death will slow it down.

And 20k AR on a BvC? That's a bit much, to me...dual Angelics and points into dex or what?

And most casters don't have a whole lot of defense so I'm confused. Unless it's a pally that switches to Defiance when a barb gets close.
He made as a BvA, so he has max block as well.

so, yeah points in dex. (Assuming Angelics as well, but I don't know)

[Omnicide]

Oh...well that makes a lot more sense, then.

Edit: Still...I think he may have put too much into dex, unless he gets the other AR from AR/life charms...then I can see it. My BvA uses Masteries GCs for more defense in BvB mode so my AR suffers a bit...it's at 19k with Angelics.

[TheUniverse]

Yeah, thxs for sending me pics =P they helped alot. =)

[Omnicide]

Um....

What now? O_o;

I know I didn't send any pics.

[SarG3]

Oh...well that makes a lot more sense, then.

Edit: Still...I think he may have put too much into dex, unless he gets the other AR from AR/life charms...then I can see it. My BvA uses Masteries GCs for more defense in BvB mode so my AR suffers a bit...it's at 19k with Angelics.

Its actually like 18k with beastz and griefz... I may have exaggerated a bit when I said 20k ><

[Omnicide]

Oh...you had me scared there. xD

Whenever people give me exaggerating stats I try to surpass them. Probably half my problem. xD

[TheUniverse]

Hey guys if im a bvc will the -ECR be usefull to me at all? or should I just go for the perf ed?

[Omnicide]

Eh...yes and no.

Doom is mostly used to slow down your opponents (chargers, smiters, melee, amazons). The -Cold res would only be useful if they're low health running to town and there's no possible way you can catch them.

[TheUniverse]

Hmmmm, sounds to me like, No. it doesnt help cause I doubt i will pay the hrs to get a perf ed AND ecr doom only to use the good -ecr to try N kill somone with it low life. I thought maby there was an enchant or somthin that could add cold damage... i dunno.... =P

[Omnicide]

You lost me. There's no enchantment that adds cold damage, though Doom does have cold damage as part of the aura. Like I said, the main selling point is how effectively it slows enemies.

[Ayliffe]

Usually with doom you have it on swap to bo and for HF flashes, you rarely use it for actual wwing.

Its Bm against any Frw/Ias based Char (Bowazons, Smiters, etc) but gm against anything else. Its really useful, at least i find it is, when your open wounds has drained your opponents life very low, as you can swap to Doom, and tele around them and the Aura with the -cold res will kill them off. Very good for 200 fcr sorcs as they are very hard to catch.

[Omnicide]

Actually...Dual Dooms on switch are for BO and dueling smiters/zons. HF flashes don't stay for long and you want to make sure you keep it up on them, that's why so many BvC guides want you to have them on switch.

Personally, I don't like the lack in strength...so I use Fal'd WC weapons. If I were to use Doom...I'd take out Beast and put it in that spot...since if you're going to BM at all...might as well not try to hide it in a flash.

[Zarley]

You'd lose a lot of damage and AR without your Beast though.

Personally I think dual Dooms are really, really cheap.

[Ayliffe]

Yea, and i think Trap sins are cheap and auradin's, but people still use them. I'm not trying to be an *******, but its just the way it is. I'm all for 100% gm dueling, but the HF aura won't affect any casters until they are at very low health, against any frw or ias based build its definitely cheap otherwise, i disagree.

Actually...Dual Dooms on switch are for BO and dueling smiters/zons. HF flashes don't stay for long and you want to make sure you keep it up on them, that's why so many BvC guides want you to have them on switch.

Personally, I don't like the lack in strength...so I use Fal'd WC weapons. If I were to use Doom...I'd take out Beast and put it in that spot...since if you're going to BM at all...might as well not try to hide it in a flash.

Also, i believe in europe HF is not bm, or so i've been told by some (MCM for one, as well as on D2PK)

[Zarley]

against any frw or ias based build its definitely cheap otherwise, i disagree.


Err... yeah. My point was more towards Omnicide's claim that dual Dooms was for "Smiter/Zons". It's really cheap vs. them.

As a finisher for fast teleporting casters who've been drained by Open Wounds I don't mind them. But anyone who uses them for slow is just being rude IMO.

[Omnicide]

Oh, hey...I'm not defending BM dueling at all. I despise anything even close to BM dueling. No prebuffing, no enchant, no absorb (besides dual Ravens...I need the AR, sadly).

I don't BM duel and totally am with you guys on this stance. I'm just saying that's what BM duelers would use the Dooms on.